New Everton Stadium

[Tom Hughes]

No one is denying any of that. But like Moshiri said, we’re not a museum. If someone had a vision to redevelop Goodison to the level it was on a par with Anfield then great but frankly no one has presented one and I doubt whether it’s even possible or over the short to medium term.

The dock allows us to have the strategic position on the waterfront that will be absolutely crucial for attracting new fans, corporate sponsors, etc. We’ll be in every single shot of the Liverpool waterfront and will have our name along half the front rather than being the team with the stadium not quite as good as the one it’s right next to.

The whole club needs a broom through to and just like we were bold enough to leave Anfield and move to Goodison we now have to recognise that if we want any hope of competing again at the very top we need to get out of Liverpool’s shadow (literally) and modernise every aspect of the club to best in class. I like Goodison as much as anyone but if the team is not winning in it and it’s even a minor factor in us not getting to the top then it needs to be changed.

No one is denying any of that. But like Moshiri said, we’re not a museum. If someone had a vision to redevelop Goodison to the level it was on a par with Anfield then great but frankly no one has presented one and I doubt whether it’s even possible or over the short to medium term.

The dock allows us to have the strategic position on the waterfront that will be absolutely crucial for attracting new fans, corporate sponsors, etc. We’ll be in every single shot of the Liverpool waterfront and will have our name along half the front rather than being the team with the stadium not quite as good as the one it’s right next to.

The whole club needs a broom through to and just like we were bold enough to leave Anfield and move to Goodison we now have to recognise that if we want any hope of competing again at the very top we need to get out of Liverpool’s shadow (literally) and modernise every aspect of the club to best in class. I like Goodison as much as anyone but if the team is not winning in it and it’s even a minor factor in us not getting to the top then it needs to be changed.

Goodison Park Redevelopment: Ideas

www.toffeeweb.com

The pdf on this thread illustrates some options that could at least match anything achieved at Anfield.... or indeed several other redeveloped stadia.

 

[PKwalnuts]

Re-development of Goodison is a pipe dream, will never happen, you're being taken for mugs, don't want to see good blues falling for that again, carpet baggers etc etc etc

 

[degsy]

Re-development of Goodison is a pipe dream, will never happen, you're being taken for mugs, don't want to see good blues falling for that again, carpet baggers etc etc etc

If the finance falls through...not that its here yet, It'll be Tom Hughes - Come on down
Commence Operation 'Redevelop the Bullens'

 

[Tom Hughes]

Re-development of Goodison is a pipe dream, will never happen, you're being taken for mugs, don't want to see good blues falling for that again, carpet baggers etc etc etc

I'm not sure what you mean.... the only way we have been mugged off in the past is by the repeated refusal to look at redevelopment. Redevelopment is entirely viable. Only a few yrs ago the then LFC owners also proclaimed loud and clear that Anfield's redevelopment was not viable. One change of owners later, and the impossible/unviable became reality, the only truly viable option in fact....... and at a fraction of the cost of BMD.

Similarly, Goodison Park can readily be brought upto a higher capacity than BMD for a fraction of the outlay.

BMD was first instigated when soundings were being made by the council about a Commonwealth games bid, and its ensuing major funding opportunity. When the next games fell through, we then had to bid for those instead, but Brum won. It then went quiet on the stadium front for something like a year because that funding opportunity vanished. When trying to drum up some interest at the initial waterfront hotel presentation, even the departing Elstone appeared less than confident about its prospects at that point......

We now know that just to get the site prepped will cost approx £100m with a total outlay of £500-600m. Could this be why there are only 20 boxes and a corporate offer less than half that of LFCs (and only 1000-1500 more than at mighty Brentford's new 17k stadium). For half that amount Lille built a similar sized stadium, but with closing roof and folding pitch for true multi-purpose use. Also, Meis has designed a stadium for Roma (52k) that is also half that cost.... and Feyenoord are currently looking to build a 63k stadium on their waterfront again for much less than us.

The transport strategy appears to be (someone will supply) Shuttle buses. In an area served by over 80 % traffic lanes than GP, with half the surrounding area under water, and no new station at Vauxhall.

I'm as excited at the prospect of a new stadium as anyone, but I have some reservations regarding its design, the transport issues and costs. There is a reason why the vast majority of larger clubs have chosen redevelopment over relocation. If our sugar daddies have deep enough pockets to resolve all of those issues and keep us competing then so be it... but that has to be seen, and if money is no object where is the closing/full roof at this exposed site? Where are the boxes convertible to hotel rooms or moving pitch etc?

My question would simply be: why haven't we seen glossy images of what £100m, £150m or £200m+ could do to Goodison. After all, surely these would be readily available if full feasibility studies had been carried out? It's not as if the site of: the world's first purpose built football stadium; the stadium with comfortably the highest number of top flight games and the only UK stadium outside of Wembley to have hosted a world cup semi-final doesn't merit at least that consideration. Perhaps there's an obvious reason why haven't seen this.... !?

 

[Tom Hughes]

Meant to say 80% LESS traffic lanes than GP.

 

[Tom Hughes]

If the finance falls through...not that its here yet, It'll be Tom Hughes - Come on down
Commence Operation 'Redevelop the Bullens'

They could redevelop Walton for £600m

 

[degsy]

I'm not sure what you mean.... the only way we have been mugged off in the past is by the repeated refusal to look at redevelopment. Redevelopment is entirely viable. Only a few yrs ago the then LFC owners also proclaimed loud and clear that Anfield's redevelopment was not viable. One change of owners later, and the impossible/unviable became reality, the only truly viable option in fact....... and at a fraction of the cost of BMD.

Similarly, Goodison Park can readily be brought upto a higher capacity than BMD for a fraction of the outlay.

BMD was first instigated when soundings were being made by the council about a Commonwealth games bid, and its ensuing major funding opportunity. When the next games fell through, we then had to bid for those instead, but Brum won. It then went quiet on the stadium front for something like a year because that funding opportunity vanished. When trying to drum up some interest at the initial waterfront hotel presentation, even the departing Elstone appeared less than confident about its prospects at that point......

We now know that just to get the site prepped will cost approx £100m with a total outlay of £500-600m. Could this be why there are only 20 boxes and a corporate offer less than half that of LFCs (and only 1000-1500 more than at mighty Brentford's new 17k stadium). For half that amount Lille built a similar sized stadium, but with closing roof and folding pitch for true multi-purpose use. Also, Meis has designed a stadium for Roma (52k) that is also half that cost.... and Feyenoord are currently looking to build a 63k stadium on their waterfront again for much less than us.

The transport strategy appears to be (someone will supply) Shuttle buses. In an area served by over 80 % traffic lanes than GP, with half the surrounding area under water, and no new station at Vauxhall.

I'm as excited at the prospect of a new stadium as anyone, but I have some reservations regarding its design, the transport issues and costs. There is a reason why the vast majority of larger clubs have chosen redevelopment over relocation. If our sugar daddies have deep enough pockets to resolve all of those issues and keep us competing then so be it... but that has to be seen, and if money is no object where is the closing/full roof at this exposed site? Where are the boxes convertible to hotel rooms or moving pitch etc?

My question would simply be: why haven't we seen glossy images of what £100m, £150m or £200m+ could do to Goodison. After all, surely these would be readily available if full feasibility studies had been carried out? It's not as if the site of: the world's first purpose built football stadium; the stadium with comfortably the highest number of top flight games and the only UK stadium outside of Wembley to have hosted a world cup semi-final doesn't merit at least that consideration. Perhaps there's an obvious reason why haven't seen this.... !?

Why no information about Plan B / Phased Redevelopment?

Because the 'big money is supposedly in the new build sell on?

 

[Toffeelover]

Numbers will dictate choices and Anfield will remain bigger and have the "name" that will act as a draw to artists. BMD will have to offer itself as the cut price alternative I fear.

However, Manchester shows that both Old Trafford and the Etihad stage gigs, and so does the cricket Old Trafford too. Maybe both can prosper.

What you say may hold in the short term but location is in our favour.

 

[Toffeelover]

You honestly think an 100 + yr old dump with limited access will compete with a modern state of the art facility for business

What you say about the Old Lady is correct. It is all brick, concrete, steel girders, limited views and poor access, most importantly small capacity.

 

[Toffeelover]

No one is denying any of that. But like Moshiri said, we’re not a museum. If someone had a vision to redevelop Goodison to the level it was on a par with Anfield then great but frankly no one has presented one and I doubt whether it’s even possible or over the short to medium term.

The dock allows us to have the strategic position on the waterfront that will be absolutely crucial for attracting new fans, corporate sponsors, etc. We’ll be in every single shot of the Liverpool waterfront and will have our name along half the front rather than being the team with the stadium not quite as good as the one it’s right next to.

The whole club needs a broom through to and just like we were bold enough to leave Anfield and move to Goodison we now have to recognise that if we want any hope of competing again at the very top we need to get out of Liverpool’s shadow (literally) and modernise every aspect of the club to best in class. I like Goodison as much as anyone but if the team is not winning in it and it’s even a minor factor in us not getting to the top then it needs to be changed.

Add to that first class hotels on the door step.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Add to that first class hotels on the door step.

Corporate accounts will book out exec boxes at our new stadium just because it’s something to do in the city centre and easy to get to. Business people with no affiliation to Everton are not going to get themselves to Goodison if they’re on an overnighter in the Hilton no matter how good we make it.

 

[Toffeelover]

I'm not sure what you mean.... the only way we have been mugged off in the past is by the repeated refusal to look at redevelopment. Redevelopment is entirely viable. Only a few yrs ago the then LFC owners also proclaimed loud and clear that Anfield's redevelopment was not viable. One change of owners later, and the impossible/unviable became reality, the only truly viable option in fact....... and at a fraction of the cost of BMD.

Similarly, Goodison Park can readily be brought upto a higher capacity than BMD for a fraction of the outlay.

BMD was first instigated when soundings were being made by the council about a Commonwealth games bid, and its ensuing major funding opportunity. When the next games fell through, we then had to bid for those instead, but Brum won. It then went quiet on the stadium front for something like a year because that funding opportunity vanished. When trying to drum up some interest at the initial waterfront hotel presentation, even the departing Elstone appeared less than confident about its prospects at that point......

We now know that just to get the site prepped will cost approx £100m with a total outlay of £500-600m. Could this be why there are only 20 boxes and a corporate offer less than half that of LFCs (and only 1000-1500 more than at mighty Brentford's new 17k stadium). For half that amount Lille built a similar sized stadium, but with closing roof and folding pitch for true multi-purpose use. Also, Meis has designed a stadium for Roma (52k) that is also half that cost.... and Feyenoord are currently looking to build a 63k stadium on their waterfront again for much less than us.

The transport strategy appears to be (someone will supply) Shuttle buses. In an area served by over 80 % traffic lanes than GP, with half the surrounding area under water, and no new station at Vauxhall.

I'm as excited at the prospect of a new stadium as anyone, but I have some reservations regarding its design, the transport issues and costs. There is a reason why the vast majority of larger clubs have chosen redevelopment over relocation. If our sugar daddies have deep enough pockets to resolve all of those issues and keep us competing then so be it... but that has to be seen, and if money is no object where is the closing/full roof at this exposed site? Where are the boxes convertible to hotel rooms or moving pitch etc?

My question would simply be: why haven't we seen glossy images of what £100m, £150m or £200m+ could do to Goodison. After all, surely these would be readily available if full feasibility studies had been carried out? It's not as if the site of: the world's first purpose built football stadium; the stadium with comfortably the highest number of top flight games and the only UK stadium outside of Wembley to have hosted a world cup semi-final doesn't merit at least that consideration. Perhaps there's an obvious reason why haven't seen this.... !?

Look at the cost of that to the local community, housesbought, left derelict forcing those left to give in and move on. LFC destroyed their lives and you are asking the same of EFC in Walton

GP is just a pile of brick, concrete, steel girders and an awful corrugated roof, it would require complete demolition and rebuild.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

I like it when RS say this will all fall through

I then ask them when are they starting the new super stadium on Stanley Park they were building

short memories on stadia as well those muppets

 

[Toffeeslam]

I'm not sure what you mean.... the only way we have been mugged off in the past is by the repeated refusal to look at redevelopment. Redevelopment is entirely viable. Only a few yrs ago the then LFC owners also proclaimed loud and clear that Anfield's redevelopment was not viable. One change of owners later, and the impossible/unviable became reality, the only truly viable option in fact....... and at a fraction of the cost of BMD.

Similarly, Goodison Park can readily be brought upto a higher capacity than BMD for a fraction of the outlay.

BMD was first instigated when soundings were being made by the council about a Commonwealth games bid, and its ensuing major funding opportunity. When the next games fell through, we then had to bid for those instead, but Brum won. It then went quiet on the stadium front for something like a year because that funding opportunity vanished. When trying to drum up some interest at the initial waterfront hotel presentation, even the departing Elstone appeared less than confident about its prospects at that point......

We now know that just to get the site prepped will cost approx £100m with a total outlay of £500-600m. Could this be why there are only 20 boxes and a corporate offer less than half that of LFCs (and only 1000-1500 more than at mighty Brentford's new 17k stadium). For half that amount Lille built a similar sized stadium, but with closing roof and folding pitch for true multi-purpose use. Also, Meis has designed a stadium for Roma (52k) that is also half that cost.... and Feyenoord are currently looking to build a 63k stadium on their waterfront again for much less than us.

The transport strategy appears to be (someone will supply) Shuttle buses. In an area served by over 80 % traffic lanes than GP, with half the surrounding area under water, and no new station at Vauxhall.

I'm as excited at the prospect of a new stadium as anyone, but I have some reservations regarding its design, the transport issues and costs. There is a reason why the vast majority of larger clubs have chosen redevelopment over relocation. If our sugar daddies have deep enough pockets to resolve all of those issues and keep us competing then so be it... but that has to be seen, and if money is no object where is the closing/full roof at this exposed site? Where are the boxes convertible to hotel rooms or moving pitch etc?

My question would simply be: why haven't we seen glossy images of what £100m, £150m or £200m+ could do to Goodison. After all, surely these would be readily available if full feasibility studies had been carried out? It's not as if the site of: the world's first purpose built football stadium; the stadium with comfortably the highest number of top flight games and the only UK stadium outside of Wembley to have hosted a world cup semi-final doesn't merit at least that consideration. Perhaps there's an obvious reason why haven't seen this.... !?

won’t we have to leave Goodison and play else where while this phased redevelopment takes place ?
Where would the heavy machinery go whilst we are knocking down stands and rebuilding them ?

what impact will this have on the local residents and the school that’s there ?

what about the traffic and disruption this will cause to the community whilst this redevelopment takes place ?

how long will this take and how can you be sure it’s more viable and commercially when we won’t have a ground or as in the best case scenario (which won’t happen cause of the footprint) Goodison with a drastically reduced capacity?

How will this help the club compete financially when up against a new build stadium on the docks and would the redeveloped Goodison still lumber is with thousands of obstructing views ?

 

[AsiaAsia82]

Just Say No to redeveloped Goodison, I want cold beer, better food and a half time smoking zone overlooking the Pier head.

#BMD4ME