New Everton Stadium

[blulouie]

Totally agree



An option????? They have given many options. And the questions don't remain unanswered at all. Anyone discussing redevelopment seriously considers all those things.

Skempton redeveloped St James Park. He has in depth knowledge about the "miriad of problems that go hand in hand on a construction this size & timescale."

Taken on board mate , but timescale alone would put us a generation in fan terms behind West Ham ,Spurs etc.

One thing for sure is Joe Anderson has met over this and we can be absolutely clear it wasnt to redevelope Goodison.

 

[Jacko93]

Mate, we will never know until he comes out and advises us, no matter how long there had been discussion with BK. The with Anderson to me smacks a little of WHP rather than develop GP.

As an aside, me i would buy up the houses around GP to make the FP bigger offer the value of the house plus 75K, as for the school build a new one on Stanley Park. The FP could then shifted to the east and put a darn big wall around St Lukes. Just an idea.

After my earlier posts, I've looked into the land at the docks a little more, and Goodison

Not sure that would add enough to the footprint in order to allow us to make maximum use of the area in all honestly. Even if we were to CP all the houses on Muriel and Diana street, and also the school with houses next to in on Gwladys Street, it would give us a footprint of approx 64,000 m2, where as Goodison is currently on 37,000 m2 incl. of St Lukes and the car park etc.

Clarence Docks is currently an area on 47,000 m2 which is smaller than whats potentially achievable at Goodison. Plus there would be issues with planning.

However, just behind the Sandon Half tide dock is a huge piece of land that is currently owned by Peel and open for investment. It has industry on it now, but that would move on anyway due to Liverpool waters. That is 139,000 m2, which could be open for much more than just a Stadium. Fan park areas, Museums, hotels etc etc. Probably enough space for a station on the Merseyrail link aswell, like a new Stanley Dock station.

 

[nsno-chris]

However, just behind the Sandon Half tide dock is a huge piece of land that is currently owned by Peel and open for investment. It has industry on it now, but that would move on anyway due to Liverpool waters. That is 139,000 m2, which could be open for much more than just a Stadium. Fan park areas, Museums, hotels etc etc. Probably enough space for a station on the Merseyrail link aswell, like a new Stanley Dock station.

United Utilities have just spent £200m developing their new Waste Water treatment centre at Sandon, the land is occupied. The Mersey Ports Master plan highlights the areas of development, work has already started on Borcklebank and Canada is next, new warehouses are flying up.

Unfortunatley the land down the dock as all been assigned for development

 

[Toffeeslam]

Agreed m

I don't appreciate being talked down to in a demeaning, sarcastic and belittling tone. Either you reply to this post with manners or you can avoid replying at all. A forum is for both fun and intelligent debate, you are providing neither.

Saying it is not financially viable is not the same as saying we cannot afford it. Of course, we can afford it now. It's not viable though. It isn't worth the money in comparison to building a new stadium.

It is barely structurally possible to redevelop Goodison sufficiently. You can't just say "wrong" without proving otherwise. The burden of proof is not on me here.

There are tenfold more positives for building a new stadium than there are for redeveloping. The main argument for staying at Goodison is "history", which is emotional and therefore not something to base a decision on at all. Someone here said 'make history, don't be confined by it' and I can't think of anything else more appropriate than that.

Agreed mate

Difficult to justify spending a large amount on redevelopment if it does not give you what you need going forward. The plans to redevelop on the existing footprint will not address ALL the issues with Goodison such as the corporate and catering facilities along with proper media centres and medical facilities that are all part of modern day world class stadia and anything less would be pointless with the money spent.

These all need an expanded footprint to meet the aims of a modern fit for purpose arena so just redevelop on the existing footprint although it would be great in a ideal world the reality is we will still need to expand the ground or build in the future again.

I love Goodison but I also love EFC, I mean I wouldn't stop loving my mother because she moved out of my childhood home would I ?

 

[Skeleton Crew]

Agreed

I love Goodison but I also love EFC, I mean I wouldn't stop loving my mother because she moved out of my childhood home would I ?

Seems like as good of a reason you will find!

 

[joey_macmo]

Agreed m


Agreed mate

Difficult to justify spending a large amount on redevelopment if it does not give you what you need going forward. The plans to redevelop on the existing footprint will not address ALL the issues with Goodison such as the corporate and catering facilities along with proper media centres and medical facilities that are all part of modern day world class stadia and anything less would be pointless with the money spent.

These all need an expanded footprint to meet the aims of a modern fit for purpose arena so just redevelop on the existing footprint although it would be great in a ideal world the reality is we will still need to expand the ground or build in the future again.

I love Goodison but I also love EFC, I mean I wouldn't stop loving my mother because she moved out of my childhood home would I ?

just to play devils advocate

Going from what was said earlier to JE where is the proof of what you are claiming?

As JE has pointed out many many many times there are plans drawn up by architects experienced in this field that say it could be done. Do you have any evidence from qualified sources that it cannot?

 

[Toffeeslam]

just to play devils advocate

Going from what was said earlier to JE where is the proof of what you are claiming?

As JE has pointed out many many many times there are plans drawn up by architects experienced in this field that say it could be done. Do you have any evidence from qualified sources that it cannot?

Not said that we could not hold a 50,000 seater stadium on the existing footprint I'm just saying expanding the facilities that come with a modern stadium cannot be supported on the existing footprint

Our stadium is hemmed in on three sides meaning that we cannot grow the stadium unless we build upwards and as others have said that that the foot print is same size as St James but Newcastle expanded on 3 sides as they only have restriction on a single side of the ground from what I have read.

JE proposals do not talk about the adjourning facilities and how they would be expanded but talks about just adding more seats and remodelling the stands to improve the views from what I have seen (if im wrong then I apologies and will look at it again). Even if we are to rebuild where would the heavy machinery go to accomplish this in such a tight space ? It would have to be on the pitch because we are hemmed in on three sides so during a season we will have to lose a couple of stands to accommodate during season time.

Hope that's not my season ticket impacted during those years

Having visited other grounds round the country our limitations and as I have said it can be done but it is a huge undertaking and fraught with problems that would be both time consuming and costly.

This is just my opinion but remember what we think means didley squat as its the club who are charged with making the descision for better or worse so I guess we have no choice but to go with what they feel is doable.

 

[Toffeelover]

After my earlier posts, I've looked into the land at the docks a little more, and Goodison

Not sure that would add enough to the footprint in order to allow us to make maximum use of the area in all honestly. Even if we were to CP all the houses on Muriel and Diana street, and also the school with houses next to in on Gwladys Street, it would give us a footprint of approx 64,000 m2, where as Goodison is currently on 37,000 m2 incl. of St Lukes and the car park etc.

Clarence Docks is currently an area on 47,000 m2 which is smaller than whats potentially achievable at Goodison. Plus there would be issues with planning.

However, just behind the Sandon Half tide dock is a huge piece of land that is currently owned by Peel and open for investment. It has industry on it now, but that would move on anyway due to Liverpool waters. That is 139,000 m2, which could be open for much more than just a Stadium. Fan park areas, Museums, hotels etc etc. Probably enough space for a station on the Merseyrail link aswell, like a new Stanley Dock station.

Well done on your research Jacko. That would IMO be ideal if only Peel would play ball. However we don,t until they are asked what their attitude is. Perhaps with our new shareholder they may sit up and take more notice. See in the news section what our new shareholder has to say.

 

[Eggs]

.....I might be completely wrong but I imagine he wants to hit the ground running and progress the new build or re-structure asap. If that is the case and he has been talking to Kenwright for 18 months, then I would expect he is already involved with WHP project and that's the way we'll go.

 

[Toffeelover]

United Utilities have just spent £200m developing their new Waste Water treatment centre at Sandon, the land is occupied. The Mersey Ports Master plan highlights the areas of development, work has already started on Borcklebank and Canada is next, new warehouses are flying up.

Unfortunatley the land down the dock as all been assigned for development

Oh dear that is a blow.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

.....I might be completely wrong but I imagine he wants to hit the ground running and progress the new build or re-structure asap. If that is the case and he has been talking to Kenwright for 18 months, then I would expect he is already involved with WHP project and that's the way we'll go.

I heard the other day WHP is dead in the water now mate - don't know how much truth there is in it, they where pretty convinced though.

 

[Toffeelover]

Agreed m


Agreed mate

Difficult to justify spending a large amount on redevelopment if it does not give you what you need going forward. The plans to redevelop on the existing footprint will not address ALL the issues with Goodison such as the corporate and catering facilities along with proper media centres and medical facilities that are all part of modern day world class stadia and anything less would be pointless with the money spent.

These all need an expanded footprint to meet the aims of a modern fit for purpose arena so just redevelop on the existing footprint although it would be great in a ideal world the reality is we will still need to expand the ground or build in the future again.

I love Goodison but I also love EFC, I mean I wouldn't stop loving my mother because she moved out of my childhood home would I ?

Good point does one love Everton or does one love GP?

 

[Eggs]

I heard the other day WHP is dead in the water now mate - don't know how much truth there is in it, they where pretty convinced though.

....interesting. If this is the case then perhaps re-structure is the direction of travel.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

....interesting. If this is the case then perhaps re-structure is the direction of travel.

I what they are saying is true, and i don't know if it is, you have to think there is other sites being proposed either by the club or council

 

[Eggs]

I what they are saying is true, and i don't know if it is, you have to think there is other sites being proposed either by the club or council

..that could be exciting and worthy of the conjecture.