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New Everton Stadium

There was a £709,000 loan from the council, Mayor Anderson stated that EFC will be "paying back this sum in full" was it, the only thing I can think of that EFC may have [Poor language removed] up with.
 

Tom Hughes said:
Modern overlapping tiers are cantilevered and shouldn't require support columns. If designed to green guide standards they should also allow for vertical sightline clearance to limit letterboxing effect. It is essentially the way to get greater capacity for footprint, and also adds greater value and exclusivity to the upper tier, bringing the premium seats much closer to the pitch. It also offers the opportunity of a broader ticket price range with cheaper general admission seats in these lower tiers.
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The upper tier at BMD cannot be brought closer with overlapping tiers. The upper tiers are as close as they possibly can be with the existing design.

The only affect of overlapping tiers would be to lower the rake of the lower tiers and move them further from the pitch.

This has been explained on here BC a few times already.
 
FinnTrikker said:
Isn't Finch Farm owned by LCC.....
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And the Finch Farm deal whatever you think of it;
1) Was signed off a long time before any alleged corruption is suggested to have taken place- so would be outside of any remit for investigtion/government witchunt
2) The deal is an unbelievably good one for the council. It would be inane stupidity of anyone to look to change that deal from a council perspective, as it would be undermining a cash flow.

People really do need to relax. The stadiums happening. In many ways all of this nonsense will probably help the stadium, as the new admin/tory government will want a big easy "win" to bring people on board, and also distreact people from the sites they feel have been approved in a murky way. A new stadium is a big advantage.
 
Pabbers said:
A really good chance that the club knew about all the investigations and issues with Joe Anderson, and purposely avoided as much council involvement as possible.
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The decision to move away from council financing certainly makes a lot more sense now. I'll be honest, I still think it was a sensible arrangement for both side's particularly the council and was sensible, pragmatic thinking from a council who aretrying to respond directly to swingeing cuts from central government (which have to a great degree caused these cultures to develop). However what you see, is one mans sensible pragmatism, is another persons cronyism. As soon as you start cutting people out of the process, people are very adept at starting to twist the agenda to suit the governments needs. We know Kopites specialise in this sort of snitching to the Tories type behaviour.
 

catcherintherye said:
And the Finch Farm deal whatever you think of it;
1) Was signed off a long time before any alleged corruption is suggested to have taken place- so would be outside of any remit for investigtion/government witchunt
2) The deal is an unbelievably good one for the council. It would be inane stupidity of anyone to look to change that deal from a council perspective, as it would be undermining a cash flow.

People really do need to relax. The stadiums happening. In many ways all of this nonsense will probably help the stadium, as the new admin/tory government will want a big easy "win" to bring people on board, and also distreact people from the sites they feel have been approved in a murky way. A new stadium is a big advantage.
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Exactly.

They'll be happy to jump onboard.

An absolute open goal for them.
 
catcherintherye said:
The decision to move away from council financing certainly makes a lot more sense now. I'll be honest, I still think it was a sensible arrangement for both side's particularly the council and was sensible, pragmatic thinking from a council who aretrying to respond directly to swingeing cuts from central government (which have to a great degree caused these cultures to develop). However what you see, is one mans sensible pragmatism, is another persons cronyism. As soon as you start cutting people out of the process, people are very adept at starting to twist the agenda to suit the governments needs. We know Kopites specialise in this sort of snitching to the Tories type behaviour.
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I agree, i felt and still do that the deal was a very good one for the city.

But as you say, some wont ever see that and just think it was a hand out as it fits what they believe.
 
Pabbers said:
I agree, i felt and still do that the deal was a very good one for the city.

But as you say, some wont ever see that and just think it was a hand out as it fits what they believe.
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Some really bitter Liverpool fans have cost their own City, a helluva lot of money that could have been used for the greater good of all Liverpool resident.
 
Pabbers said:
I agree, i felt and still do that the deal was a very good one for the city.

But as you say, some wont ever see that and just think it was a hand out as it fits what they believe.
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True. And there will always be people who will twist things and really simplify things to build a narrative. I am sure each of us, in our jobs, at one stage or another take a decision that is a bit close to the bone, for all the right reasons, that if you removed from the context it was taken in would look a bit unusual.

In fairness to the government, what Joe Anderson was actually doing, was acting as a broker between the government and the football club and negotiating an annual fee for the council for doing so (in essence).The funds were never LCC funds but was a pot available from central government, that only councils had access too. Everton couldn't get that directly from the government. I can understand why a lot of the "nod nod wink wink" stuff of Anderson would have irritated them and their view may hae been, local governments job is not to act as a broker between government and central government. I also think, in honesty they have created the conditions councils have to operate like that, and regularly bemoan the bureacratic approach of councils, yet when they find someone who looks for value he's thrown to the wolves.

Tracking it back to Everton though, I can completely see why the club moved away from it. There are expectations that come with a loan to a council. There is a lot more scrutiny, misguided comment, inuendo etc. You get none of that if you lend through a commercial partner.The sad part is, the interest payments will now go to benefit shareholders, in all likelihood in America who will have no impact on the City. Whereas it could have benefitted our city to the tune of millions per year. Yet Tories and Kopites put a fork in that, and as yet have given no explanation as to how they would fund the millions of pounds every year that have been lost.
 
Gardocki said:
The upper tier at BMD cannot be brought closer with overlapping tiers. The upper tiers are as close as they possibly can be with the existing design.

The only affect of overlapping tiers would be to lower the rake of the lower tiers and move them further from the pitch.

This has been explained on here BC a few times already.
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Depends what your priorities are. I've sightline modelled the format. You can either bring the upper tier closer by lowering the rake of the bottom tier (for just a small set back of that tier's front row) to achieve better overall average viewing distances, or you can fill the footprint to a greater capacity by having some overlap. If we wanted greater capacity then that approach would've given it. If you wanted greater intimacy, that approach could've also produced that.
 

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