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New Everton Stadium

Dymak said:
Of course, I hope you are correct.



I don't disagree with any of that, and the favourable conditions you speak about would be of real benefit.

I'm just making the point about the current state of affairs. At this present moment there is an unprescedented ban on fans attending stadia. Even the most brightest of predictions involve a maximum of 10,000 attendees in the forseeable future. There will need to be a significant change in public health policy to make anyone, including Usmanov., invest in a 500 million pound stadium without a drastic change to current policy.

With the vaccine rollout and encouraging figures regarding prevalence, morbidity and mortality, then there may be good reason to be confident and hopeful about a change in the current state of affairs. But without that change, the whole stadium is a no go.
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Had we been due to start playing at the new gound in May...then yes, we would maybe see an empty massive half a billion pound investment....but we are not moving in for 3 years, by then Covid movies will be out, and this whole year will be a distant memory.

Even the buidling of the ground is a huge boost for economy, work, hotels bars etc, jobs, everything while its in prog of getting built.

Construction never stopped, even in the first lock down.
 
Dymak said:
Of course, I hope you are correct.



I don't disagree with any of that, and the favourable conditions you speak about would be of real benefit.

I'm just making the point about the current state of affairs. At this present moment there is an unprescedented ban on fans attending stadia. Even the most brightest of predictions involve a maximum of 10,000 attendees in the forseeable future. There will need to be a significant change in public health policy to make anyone, including Usmanov., invest in a 500 million pound stadium without a drastic change to current policy.

With the vaccine rollout and encouraging figures regarding prevalence, morbidity and mortality, then there may be good reason to be confident and hopeful about a change in the current state of affairs. But without that change, the whole stadium is a no go.
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When the going get's tough, the tough go shopping.
 
Dymak said:
I don't have any evidence. I just have a feeling that a ban on attending sporting events may have an adverse impact on a business plan that involves the development of a stadium with a capacity of 50,000.

If the current conditions are on their way to being consigned to the past then things will be fine. But even the planned alleviation of the current restrictions so that 10,000 people can attend would not be congruent with the Bramley Moore business plan, no matter how cheap borrowing might be right now.

The restrictions would have to be removed entirely. We would have to be living in a post covid restrictions world.
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But mate, the stadium isn't going to be finished until about 2024 - it's currently March 2021. It's a bit like saying "Well there could be a nuclear war between now and 2024 so why bother building a new stadium?"

Debt is stupidly easy to come by. Airlines all over the world have taken on huge huge debt since last March and they've not had an issue getting their hands on it - and that's debt to just keep them alive. We're asking for debt that will build something that will have tangible value. We literally couldn't wish for a better environment to be taking on long-term debt.
 

Dymak said:
I don't have any evidence. I just have a feeling that a ban on attending sporting events may have an adverse impact on a business plan that involves the development of a stadium with a capacity of 50,000 at a cost of half a billion pound.

If the current conditions are on their way to being consigned to the past then things will be fine. But even the planned alleviation of the current restrictions so that 10,000 people can attend would not be congruent with the Bramley Moore business plan, no matter how cheap borrowing might be right now.

The restrictions would have to be removed entirely. We would have to be living in a post covid restrictions world.
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You're just wrong mate, sorry.

If we were knocking the stadium up in a few weeks, I'd absolutely agree with you. But we're not. It'll be three years (at best) by the time it opens and we have to worry about putting fans in it...

No one - and I mean NO ONE - not even the biggest pessimist going - believes that there will still be restrictions on attendance in three years time.
 
Amw79 said:
Would be nice to get some comms this week from Chong or DBB on next steps. From the Echo and other bits and bobs looks like getting contracts with Peel finalised and getting finance agreed and in place are the next things to happen, would be good to see those tied up quickly and get an idea of when the groundwork proper is expected to start.
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I hope so, the latest meltdown has been brilliant from people telling the world they're not bothered but have a compulsion to comment time after time.
Remember when they thought we were trying to block out the view of their lean to when we blocked the corners of the Park End, that's how deluded they are. I'd suggest they build a massive wall to block out our stadium but I fear they couldn't resist the urge to knock it down.
 
Mrk said:
But mate, the stadium isn't going to be finished until about 2024 - it's currently March 2021. It's a bit like saying "Well there could be a nuclear war between now and 2024 so why bother building a new stadium?"

Debt is stupidly easy to come by. Airlines all over the world have taken on huge huge debt since last March and they've not had an issue getting their hands on it - and that's debt to just keep them alive. We're asking for debt that will build something that will have tangible value. We literally couldn't wish for a better environment to be taking on long-term debt.
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This.
 
Eggs said:
....ah, how good the Dockers Umbrella would’ve been had planners had the foresight.
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...also the foresight to not put it above the acidy, caustic smoke of the steam trains, which was rotting the supports and made it uneconomic to up grade...but cars and buses were the new thing then, flexible, not like trams and trains - sod it, pull it down
 

I'm not making predictions on the future. I'm just stating that a continuation of the current state of affairs makes the stadium development unviable., which it clearly would. A change in public health policy WILL be required. Nobody is building a stadium when fans are banned from attending them.
 
Really looking forwards to seeing this develop real momentum now - I truly believe the project will really be something special and deliver a new home that we will all buzz off. The placement of it in terms of the city and the commercial potential is just huge. It's gonna be boss.

That tit "Jeff from West Derby" got his eye wiped there didn't he?
 
Dymak said:
I'm not making predictions on the future. I'm just stating that a continuation of the current state of affairs makes the stadium development unviable., which it clearly would. A change in public health policy WILL be required. Nobody is building a stadium when fans are banned from attending them.
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You keep saying the same thing over and over. It's still as wrong and shortsighted as the first time you said it.

If there was ANY suspicion that those restrictions would be relevant in 3yrs, then no one would start building a stadium now.

There is no such suspicion, and as such current restrictions have absolutely no bearing on a stadium that won't be open for 3yrs
 

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