New Everton Stadium

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

There's a difference between ambition and delusion. Why not build a 100k stadium ?

Saying we have done it in the past is totally irrelevant. It was literally a different era.

The future is a different era too. It's building for the next 100 years.

 

[DrEFC]

I was thinking more along the lines of disposable income of fans rather than us not being a big club.

Would be interested to know how much a ticket price is compared to the average wage, now vs the 80s. A day out at the game seems to be very expensive these days, and I think that's turning many folk away.

I'm on a relatively decent wage as a Dr a few years from consultancy, and I still moan about the prices just to take me and my Dad. It'd be close to 3% of my wage. I haven't even got kids!

 

[rochdaleblue]

I was thinking more along the lines of disposable income of fans rather than us not being a big club.

Would be interested to know how much a ticket price is compared to the average wage, now vs the 80s. A day out at the game seems to be very expensive these days, and I think that's turning many folk away.

Football is too expensive full stop. Clubs have sought to try and extract every penny from the their fans, with regard to their ticket pricing and catering prices at the ground. Where United and the other big clubs have stolen a march on everyone, is utilising their success and successfully building their brand and getting supporters from all over the world buying their merchandise.

 

[Brennan]

The future is a different era too. It's building for the next 100 years.

You haven't really answered the other point. Why is 65,000 the amount we need ? Why not make it 90,000 ?

Where does it end ?

 

[rochdaleblue]

Or how starved we've been of European Away Days.


Lille .... possibly the closest & easiest & cheapest place to get to that we could have played in mainland Europe, with a stadium big enough to allow a large allocation. A large amount of those that went there would possibly not go to a euro away game, or it was maybe made up of fans that may have gone to 1 of the others thus combining to give a large support.
I'm not talking us down btw but consider other factors like ticket cost etc, we took a lot to wolfsburg but if their tickets had been £60 then it would've stopped folk going due to cost.
There's still a certain Novelty factor regarding our european aways, in fact look at pre season ones where folk grab the chance for a couple of days away in a european city on the lash. The fact is that if it was every season then the numbers travelling away would lower & be too difficult to maintain for many based on cost for starters & actually being able to get time off etc. I'm not saying we wouldnt fill allocations but the vast numbers we took to some games last season just wouldnt happen.


Just the same as 60k per week wouldnt.

I've mentioned Europe, but just look at away support in general. When you consider the away support of a 'big club' like Chelsea who have had 10 years of sustained success, yet they don't always sell out their allocation for away league games.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

I was thinking more along the lines of disposable income of fans rather than us not being a big club.

Would be interested to know how much a ticket price is compared to the average wage, now vs the 80s. A day out at the game seems to be very expensive these days, and I think that's turning many folk away.

I'm on a relatively decent wage as a Dr a few years from consultancy, and I still moan about the prices just to take me and my Dad. It'd be close to 3% of my wage. I haven't even got kids!

there was some kind of price comparison thing done last year some time.

They based it on inflation, wage rises etc.

I seem to remember the figure that they came up with was £12-£15 per game for an adult.


they also said something that compared it to the cinema, in that back in 80's it was almost the same price whereas if it was £28 to watch a film now then the movie industry wouldve shut up shop a long time ago. Don't forget as well that as well them quoting that figure back in the 80's the gate was an income that the clubs had to rely on whereas nowadays they dont due to tv etc ... which is why a month ago or so ago I managed to show that they could actually knock 50% off the price of a season ticket.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

I've mentioned Europe, but just look at away support in general. When you consider the away support of a 'big club' like Chelsea who have had 10 years of sustained success, yet they don't always sell out their allocation for away league games.

they don't, but before their success they were 1 of the biggest away supports & used to ram out the old park end. This could well be that that's because they save their money to go to PSG, Barca, Real Madrid etc etc every year.
And they're all millionaires you know that use £20's for lav roll.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

As anyone mentioned that the 'Loop' is to be reopened as part of the rail investment in the city ?

apparently with a train link we could fill 85k for a pre season youth game against marine.

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

Need to factor in that Liverpool is only a small city ~500k, and the surrounding areas we are competing with very successful teams- harder to attract local-ish fan area, bar London. I think we would struggle massively to attract an extra 20K. You could fill it will young 'uns but you'd have to give the tickets away. Maybe if we did create a young vocal section that might work, and foster the next gen of die-hard fans.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

You haven't really answered the other point. Why is 65,000 the amount we need ? Why not make it 90,000 ?

Where does it end ?

I agree let's make it 90,000. Can't see it happening though.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

I've found that survey thing regarding tickets prices

Since 1981 ticket prices have risen 189% higher than inflation.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-season-ticket-prices-risen-3384983

During the last 33 years, the biggest increase has been at Newcastle, where season tickets have risen 354% above inflation

there are some graphs and stuff on the link & based on 1891 prices & inflation a season ticket for us should £178


it appears that it was BBC that conducted the survey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29614980

 

[Brennan]

I agree let's make it 90,000. Can't see it happening though.

150,000 ?

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

Need to factor in that Liverpool is only a small city ~500k, and the surrounding areas we are competing with very successful teams- harder to attract local-ish fan area, bar London. I think we would struggle massively to attract an extra 20K. You could fill it will young 'uns but you'd have to give the tickets away. Maybe if we did create a young vocal section that might work, and foster the next gen of die-hard fans.

Liverpool is made up of three authorities, that doesn't include south Sefton or Knowsley which is Liverpool, you're looking at about 864,000 if you want an accurate description of the size of the city and even then you''re not including the likes of Ormskirk etc. We're probably the fifth biggest city in the second most populated region, official figures don't show our true size.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

150,000 ?

One day maybe. Maybe not in our lifetime though.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

Liverpool is made up of three authorities, that doesn't include south Sefton or Knowsley which is Liverpool, you're looking at about 864,000 if you want an accurate description of the size of the city and even then you''re not including the likes of Ormskirk etc. We're probably the fifth biggest city in the second most populated region, official figures don't show our true size.

Not to mention the Scouse diaspora from the 70's and 80's living down south.