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Sweeneytoad said:
Liverpool Catholic Cathedral is built on top of a 1800s work house, does that mean that the Catholic church should take responsibility for that too?
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I read a magazine article about workhorse in the BBC History magazine a few months ago. Although most of them were hell holes and totally grim, some were not. It very much depended on the workhouse in question. Some were surprisingly enlightened. In any case, it was the first attempt at a national network to look after the destitute and dying in hundreds of years. The last places to attempt to do this were the monasteries. This came to an end during the reign of Henry VIII when he broke with Rome and closed them down and destroyed them.

I'm sure a lot of people who come on here like me have family who died in the workhouse on Brownlow Hill. Hard times, back then. Let's hope we're not heading back that way.
 
Dr Baxter said:
I read a magazine article about workhorse in the BBC History magazine a few months ago. Although most of them were hell holes and totally grim, some were not. It very much depended on the workhouse in question. Some were surprisingly enlightened. In any case, it was the first attempt at a national network to look after the destitute and dying in hundreds of years. The last places to attempt to do this were the monasteries. This came to an end during the reign of Henry VIII when he broke with Rome and closed them down and destroyed them.

I'm sure a lot of people who come on here like me have family who died in the workhouse on Brownlow Hill. Hard times, back then. Let's hope we're not heading back that way.
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The ones in Liverpool were run by the West Derby Board of Guardians, the biggest Poor Law Union in Britain.

They provided hospitals (infirmaries), orphanages, work programmes (indoor and outdoor) even acted as an adoption agency - all for an area about the size of today's Liverpool City Region.

The board of guardians around the country together made up a sort of forerunner to the welfare state....though you wouldn't have been in good shape if you'd needed their services back them!
 
The whole argument over this BMD naming and 'taking responsibility' and 'using the opportunity' could easily have been put to bed had they actually approached the club to discuss it. By doing that they would have known about the plans I believe the club has, which actually outstretch any suggestions that were made in the article/on the podcast and, go so far as to explore the role of the docks in the entire history of the city including connections direct to slavery, slave enabled trade and how the docks enabled the immigration of such a large Irish contingent. The plan is to tell this through the eyes of prominent figures in the club. For example, how much closer can the club tie itself to the will of education on difficult subjects than having Seamus Coleman narrate videos and/or displays on the Irish community and their struggles such as the potato famine, or Alex Iwobi do the same for videos/displays on the horrors of slavery and it's connection to the city and, maybe, more specifically the very dock we have filled in, rendering useless for its original use, and re-purposing for good and local prosperity, not just the prosperity of the richest individuals.
Everton should be celebrated for that fact. That they didn't seem to take that approach, I'm afraid, leads me to the only conclusion in my mind that some individuals involved in that piece were seeking to add negativity to what is a hugely positive step forward for our city. A step that is being taken not to obscure or avoid the difficult truths of suffering, but to finally make good of their remains, to drive change in the visibility of such difficult and often under discussed subject matters.
 

Jacko93 said:
The whole argument over this BMD naming and 'taking responsibility' and 'using the opportunity' could easily have been put to bed had they actually approached the club to discuss it. By doing that they would have known about the plans I believe the club has, which actually outstretch any suggestions that were made in the article/on the podcast and, go so far as to explore the role of the docks in the entire history of the city including connections direct to slavery, slave enabled trade and how the docks enabled the immigration of such a large Irish contingent. The plan is to tell this through the eyes of prominent figures in the club. For example, how much closer can the club tie itself to the will of education on difficult subjects than having Seamus Coleman narrate videos and/or displays on the Irish community and their struggles such as the potato famine, or Alex Iwobi do the same for videos/displays on the horrors of slavery and it's connection to the city and, maybe, more specifically the very dock we have filled in, rendering useless for its original use, and re-purposing for good and local prosperity, not just the prosperity of the richest individuals.
Everton should be celebrated for that fact. That they didn't seem to take that approach, I'm afraid, leads me to the only conclusion in my mind that some individuals involved in that piece were seeking to add negativity to what is a hugely positive step forward for our city. A step that is being taken not to obscure or avoid the difficult truths of suffering, but to finally make good of their remains, to drive change in the visibility of such difficult and often under discussed subject matters.
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I was saying that all day yesterday mate. The club should view that as a hit piece, as I said, and go after Hughes and The Athletic. The info was in any case out there already if any serious journalist wanted to find it. But Hughes is neither a serious journalist nor someone who wished to find it...for obvious reasons.

It was a sectarian piece of BS masquerading as a progressive piece.

I seriously want Everton to go after that feller.
 
Jacko93 said:
The whole argument over this BMD naming and 'taking responsibility' and 'using the opportunity' could easily have been put to bed had they actually approached the club to discuss it. By doing that they would have known about the plans I believe the club has, which actually outstretch any suggestions that were made in the article/on the podcast and, go so far as to explore the role of the docks in the entire history of the city including connections direct to slavery, slave enabled trade and how the docks enabled the immigration of such a large Irish contingent. The plan is to tell this through the eyes of prominent figures in the club. For example, how much closer can the club tie itself to the will of education on difficult subjects than having Seamus Coleman narrate videos and/or displays on the Irish community and their struggles such as the potato famine, or Alex Iwobi do the same for videos/displays on the horrors of slavery and it's connection to the city and, maybe, more specifically the very dock we have filled in, rendering useless for its original use, and re-purposing for good and local prosperity, not just the prosperity of the richest individuals.
Everton should be celebrated for that fact. That they didn't seem to take that approach, I'm afraid, leads me to the only conclusion in my mind that some individuals involved in that piece were seeking to add negativity to what is a hugely positive step forward for our city. A step that is being taken not to obscure or avoid the difficult truths of suffering, but to finally make good of their remains, to drive change in the visibility of such difficult and often under discussed subject matters.
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I think you could write a far superior article
 

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