New Everton Stadium

[Look to the future]

Over 6000 pages and 90,000+ comments of pure stadium passion.... Love it!!

 

[tommye]

I know you’re spot on but I just can’t understand how any Evertonian can be constantly negative about it.

Everyone can point out something they’d prefer to be different but he just constantly criticises everything.

All about opinions innit.
GP is a massive part of each and every one of us. There won't be many who don't shed a tear or two when we close her doors for the last time and walk away forever, but we've made the commitment, set out our stall and it's off to Bramley Moore we go, together with all our hopes and dreams for the future of Everton.
Not everyone will like the new place. Some will hate it, some have even said they won't go, but go we must now.

Wherever we would, could, should, have moved to doesn't matter really.
We'd have still turned up in our thousands, week in week out because it's Everton isn't it and because we're Everton aren't we.

 

[bcblue1878]

Boss photo I was always Infront of middle post ,, comes up on tannoy attendance today 28 thousands used to piss myself laughing

Then the shout started “There’s more of us than that!” ?

 

[Ferguson1878]

Tom has a dog in the fight, so to speak. Was a massive part of the redevelopment of GP idea, so ultimatley his shot at immortality will now forever be consigned to an architect's model and a few drawings.

Take everything he says, usually disparaging, about the new gaff with a massive pinch of salt(-iness)

Don’t know about immortality but he was part of that group that saw right through Kirkby and tried to do something about it did you ?

 

[Tom Hughes]

Spurs stadium will only ever be 1:1 no matter what the legislation changes too.

Who care what Colin Chongs opinion is? I’ll go with Jon Darch from the Safe Standing road show who accurately predicted when safe standing would come in and now believes the legislation will change to 1:1.5 in England within 3 years.

“Which would limit any safe standing uplift to possibly as low as 1.3:1”

I’ve never seen any sentence more you that that above. The tread depth we have gone for is more likely to allow the ratio to be 1.1:5, and that’s coming from Jon Darch also which would allow for a 3k uplift in the South Stand.

I’m not bothered how many seats there are, the total capacity of the stadium is more important.

Absolutely no one considers Dortmunds stadium a 65k stadium, even though that’s how many seats it has. Everyone considers it a 81k stadium, because that’s what it can hold.

So it's a 3k uplift now, not 4k as in your previous post? So much for hard facts?

Colin Chong is the project manager or chief stadium development officer. I would say he knows quite a bit about these things.

I've spoken to Jon Darch several times. It was he who confirmed that at 750mm treads the uplift could be as low as 30% if ever allowed (thats less than 2k uplift at the South stand). He also stated that ANY uplift at this point is conjecture only. He thinks it may be allowed in the next few years.

Spurs are as eligible for any uplift as we are.

As regards Dortmund..... no-one says it has 81k seats, you were talking about empty seats!

 

[BNJ1878]

Tom has a dog in the fight, so to speak. Was a massive part of the redevelopment of GP idea, so ultimatley his shot at immortality will now forever be consigned to an architect's model and a few drawings.

Take everything he says, usually disparaging, about the new gaff with a massive pinch of salt(-iness)

I don't see it as saltiness. I honestly don't think he (or others from that period) are distraught about us moving on to a new home.

Goodison could have been redeveloped, which was the main argument that awful cretin of a chairman was making. Redevelopment was 'impossible' and on top of that we were nailed on to lose our safety certificate.

Tom, along with everyone else involved stuck there heads up above the parapet at AGMs and in the local media and got club sponsored abuse for their troubles.

Me? I'm glad we're moving. Goodison is an absolute tip where in the dim and distant past I've had some great times. Could BM have been 'better'? Of course. But it's miles better than what we're leaving behind.

 

[Tom Hughes]

It'll be a shame if they're not interconnected, but it would make sense due to the size and design.

Tbh..... i haven't checked the interconnection. There may be issues regarding price segregation for cheaper standing tkts etc.

 

[PhilM]

Tbh..... i haven't checked the interconnection. There may be issues regarding price segregation for cheaper standing tkts etc.

Aye. If they're interconnected and the lower section is standing while the upper is seated, you'd expect a difference in price between the seats.

However, it would be up to the stewards to maintain people in the right position. My point is more that it would be nice to have shared concourse and resources.

 

[muckers]

So it's a 3k uplift now, not 4k as in your previous post? So much for hard facts?

Colin Chong is the project manager or chief stadium development officer. I would say he knows quite a bit about these things.

I've spoken to Jon Darch several times. It was he who confirmed that at 750mm treads the uplift could be as low as 30% if ever allowed (thats less than 2k uplift at the South stand). He also stated that ANY uplift at this point is conjecture only. He thinks it may be allowed in the next few years.

Spurs are as eligible for any uplift as we are.

As regards Dortmund..... no-one says it has 81k seats, you were talking about empty seats!

Spurs - you know best, Tom ??

 

[Tom Hughes]

Tom has a dog in the fight, so to speak. Was a massive part of the redevelopment of GP idea, so ultimatley his shot at immortality will now forever be consigned to an architect's model and a few drawings.

Take everything he says, usually disparaging, about the new gaff with a massive pinch of salt(-iness)

I have no dog in any fight other than the one wanting the best for our club....

That redevelopment concept design was one of a series that long predates Destination Kirkby and was never submitted to the club in anycase.

I was also part of KEIOC who approached LCC/Bestway about other sites and PEEL about the central docks long before BMD was dreamt of.

I'm as excited about BMD as the next blue, but have some reservations and am certainly not interested in the type of hype or exaggeration that had all the happy clappers running to Kirkby. UnfortunatelyI think a few on here had a "dog in that fight...." and are still angry at KEIOC and GFE before them.

 

[muckers]

So it's a 3k uplift now, not 4k as in your previous post? So much for hard facts?

Colin Chong is the project manager or chief stadium development officer. I would say he knows quite a bit about these things.

I've spoken to Jon Darch several times. It was he who confirmed that at 750mm treads the uplift could be as low as 30% if ever allowed (thats less than 2k uplift at the South stand). He also stated that ANY uplift at this point is conjecture only. He thinks it may be allowed in the next few years.

Spurs are as eligible for any uplift as we are.

As regards Dortmund..... no-one says it has 81k seats, you were talking about empty seats!

Jon Darch -

 

[Tom Hughes]

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Spurs - you know best, Tom ??

Yes.... that's the result of the same report that Colin Chong has cited for saying our South stand will never have increased ratios, as I stated above. Spacially, Spurs satisfies the same requirements as BMD, but I think with larger treads.

 

[Barry75]

Tom has a dog in the fight, so to speak. Was a massive part of the redevelopment of GP idea, so ultimatley his shot at immortality will now forever be consigned to an architect's model and a few drawings.

Take everything he says, usually disparaging, about the new gaff with a massive pinch of salt(-iness)

I don't see what he's saying is wrong? Why are you attacking someone who has an opinionated view on what the potential could have been?

 

[Tom Hughes]

Jon Darch - View attachment 193284

It depends on interpretation of the green guide.... and spacial allowance to be used. Below is my reply to Jon Darch when he confirned that it may be as low as 1.3. Neither figure gives a 4k uplift.

 

[muckers]

Yes.... that's the result of the same report that Colin Chong has cited for saying our South stand will never have increased ratios, as I stated above. Spacially, Spurs satisfies the same requirements as BMD, but I think with larger treads.

But they’ve said they will never go above 1:1 despite you saying they would benefit with a capacity increase. While we would.

Cold, hard facts eh?