New Everton Stadium

[BullensRoad]

USM take over Everton, starts throwing money all over the place.
Everton fans : This FFP is a joke, teams should be able to spend what they want.
Russia invades Ukraine, The Saudis take over football.
Everton fans : I think all teams should be treated equally.

Yet again you give a brain rot take.

 

[BullensRoad]

I am 77 years old and hope to see the stadium completed. Will book a room in the Titanic for a few days so I can walk to it.

If you need a ticket for it let me know. I'll let you use my season ticket (not the first game though!)

 

[The binman chronicles]

The "relative cheap" descriptor comes from the basic comparison of where they're at so far:

Approx £200m for 61k capacity versus our £750m for 53k. It really isn't close.

That comparison is even more stark when you realise that basically they got to 54k for just £114m versus £750m. You can break it down further with comparisons of Corporate and General admission capacities, prices and revenue. I think their matchday income will still be over 3 times ours at BMD.

Both their stands needed quite substantial land takes but reused significant existing capacity.... that also meant that quite a large proportion of the construction volume was just to get up to the height of the existing stands.

Compared to the cost of construction the cost of land/property acquisition is quite small in the likes of Anfield/Goodison..... and is usually covered in whole project costs.

Your projected costs for Anfield are all dependent on the design format chosen and on what (if anything) can be retained from the existing stands. So it is difficult to predict the final cost, but you have to remember that if they get to 70k+ capacity at £500m, that is still significantly less than BMD for a much larger stadium and a fraction of the cost of a new build 70k elsewhere.

It's the same reason Real Madrid have spent £1bn on the Bernabeu.... it would cost them £2bn+ to recreate from scratch. So, not cheap as you say, but significantly less than the alternative.

Again they could get away with it as they have two other stands that were remodelled/built in the 90's, meaning they could stop now if they so wished with relatively good facilities for all. Which wouldn't be the case for us we would still need to redevelop two other stands and that would mean we would be paying out a huge amount more and not the 200 million they have done so far that makes it seem 'cheap' to you. It's comparing apples with oranges.

We could have built an array of corporate boxes to match what they have but that's completely useless unless you fill them every game. If we ever do get back to a position where we could sell them we have a gap between the tiers much like at the principality that could be remodelled. Likewise we could have had massive terraces to hold 70k built to the sort of standards the Cardiff City stadium is for a similar price as what we have done, we've gone for a bit more quality than just numbers that we aren't guaranteed to fill.

The basic point I was making that BM cost per stand will work out to 160 million, I'm not including the dock refit costs to make a build possible as that is a consequence of us wanting a stadium in that statement location. Theirs will be around 130 million if they go along with the proposed designs I have seen.

 

[maccavennie]

Even when the stadium is open there's only going to be 19 home league games plus maybe a few cup games. Can a pub/shop/chippy survive on just 19-25 busy days per year?

Surely there must be a plan but this is Everton.

In time that area won't just be a stadium. There'll be a residential area, more hotels will pop up, more bars, shops, restaurants so that it it becomes a hive of activity all year round.

Everton will be looking to run events, will probably hold International games, music events, I'm sure due to its location Everton will look to get a top end wedding co-ordinator involved as well and probably increase the amount of weddings they do at Goodison ten fold.

It'll all be done steadily over a number of years, it isn't something where BMD just opens and everything surrounding it just pops up and opens as well.

 

[Johnnytotal]

The "relative cheap" descriptor comes from the basic comparison of where they're at so far:

Approx £200m for 61k capacity versus our £750m for 53k. It really isn't close.

That comparison is even more stark when you realise that basically they got to 54k for just £114m versus £750m. You can break it down further with comparisons of Corporate and General admission capacities, prices and revenue. I think their matchday income will still be over 3 times ours at BMD.

Both their stands needed quite substantial land takes but reused significant existing capacity.... that also meant that quite a large proportion of the construction volume was just to get up to the height of the existing stands.

Compared to the cost of construction the cost of land/property acquisition is quite small in the likes of Anfield/Goodison..... and is usually covered in whole project costs.

Your projected costs for Anfield are all dependent on the design format chosen and on what (if anything) can be retained from the existing stands. So it is difficult to predict the final cost, but you have to remember that if they get to 70k+ capacity at £500m, that is still significantly less than BMD for a much larger stadium and a fraction of the cost of a new build 70k elsewhere.

It's the same reason Real Madrid have spent £1bn on the Bernabeu.... it would cost them £2bn+ to recreate from scratch. So, not cheap as you say, but significantly less than the alternative.

What is it you gain from posting negative drivel regarding BMD so regularly?

 

[Dixieslaces]

If you need a ticket for it let me know. I'll let you use my season ticket (not the first game though!)

This is what sets us apart

 

[Tom Hughes]

What is it you gain from posting negative drivel regarding BMD so regularly?

Not trying to gain anything. They are direct responses to other people's comments only. Nothing whatsoever to do with positivity or negativity..... it's a discussion forum. If there is something you disagree with feel free to comment.

 

[Goat]

Yet again you give a brain rot take.

Ok bud, keep up the grade A posting.

 

[muckers]

Not trying to gain anything. They are direct responses to other people's comments only. Nothing whatsoever to do with positivity or negativity..... it's a discussion forum. If there is something you disagree with feel free to comment.

You are negative.

Constantly.

“No demand for tickets at Goodison”

“loads of empty seats at home games”

None of which is true.

Several times you’ve derided the South stand as it “only has a few more rows” than the Gwladys Street stand.

You never state it is around 3k bigger with the very real possibility it will end up about 5.5k bigger.

If loads of people think you’re negative on here, are they all wrong?

That’s before we get onto your constant defence/bigging up of Anfield.

Which is just plain weird.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Again they could get away with it as they have two other stands that were remodelled/built in the 90's, meaning they could stop now if they so wished with relatively good facilities for all. Which wouldn't be the case for us we would still need to redevelop two other stands and that would mean we would be paying out a huge amount more and not the 200 million they have done so far that makes it seem 'cheap' to you. It's comparing apples with oranges.

We could have built an array of corporate boxes to match what they have but that's completely useless unless you fill them every game. If we ever do get back to a position where we could sell them we have a gap between the tiers much like at the principality that could be remodelled. Likewise we could have had massive terraces to hold 70k built to the sort of standards the Cardiff City stadium is for a similar price as what we have done, we've gone for a bit more quality than just numbers that we aren't guaranteed to fill.

The basic point I was making that BM cost per stand will work out to 160 million, I'm not including the dock refit costs to make a build possible as that is a consequence of us wanting a stadium in that statement location. Theirs will be around 130 million if they go along with the proposed designs I have seen.

Yes, as I said.... the cost depends entirely on the volume of construction required and that's dependent on what capacity can be reused..... but their figures (and similar at many other big clubs) clearly show that generally it is far cheaper for larger stadia to redevelop.

In many ways GP is a far better candidate for that treatment than Anfield. All the lower tiers can be kept and/or reprofiled, and larger new upper tiers built to add capacity get rid of all obstructed views and increase concourse space etc. So that means upto 31k is reuseable (27k if the top Balcony was to be replaced) only the upper Gwladys st and upper Bullens would need to be replaced. This would also be much cheaper per seat because you don't have to go up 4 floors before you've added any new capacity. The roof cost is generally proportional to the square of its depth.... and this would be reduced because you can have overlapping tiers due to the existing tiers being much lower than those at Anfield, where there is little to no overlaps. Getting from 31k to 53k (ie. 22k new seats) is nearly always going to be much cheaper than building 53k from scratch. Of course, that's not factoring in differences or benefits in terms location etc.

You may be right in your cost predictions, but that's very much dependent on what they can save from the existing stands on the 2 other stands (if anything). However, the two new stands have come in at an average of just £100m each (full project costs) for far greater volumes of construction than any side at BMD.... these stands are as big as Wembley's, with 92 and 86 rows. Repeated on all four sides would have them upto 75-80k. For them to build that from scratch would cost well over £1bn. So even at your figures that still a massive saving and probably even less than our costs for a far larger stadium. That's the main reason we are not comparing apples with apples. If they'd just needed what we are going for, they've achieved it for relative buttons by (the admittedly crude) comparison. The benefits for them of course are obvious and multiple.

 

[Dr Baxter]

Even when the stadium is open there's only going to be 19 home league games plus maybe a few cup games. Can a pub/shop/chippy survive on just 19-25 busy days per year?

Surely there must be a plan but this is Everton.

Never understood that queue for the chippy on Goodison Road. Must be 50 people long at 5 minutes before the kick off. Crazy.

 

[tr_efc]

Never understood that queue for the chippy on Goodison Road. Must be 50 people long at 5 minutes before the kick off. Crazy.

Goodison Supper Bar is worth it though. Besides, who'd want to make it in time for kick off anyway? - I say this and yet I'm normally in at least 20 minutes to kick off haha.

 

[kev]

In many ways GP is a far better candidate for that treatment than Anfield. All the lower tiers can be kept and/or reprofiled, and larger new upper tiers built to add capacity get rid of all obstructed views and increase concourse space etc. So that means upto 31k is reuseable (27k if the top Balcony was to be replaced) only the upper Gwladys st and upper Bullens would need to be replaced. This would also be much cheaper per seat because you don't have to go up 4 floors before you've added any new capacity.

LET IT GO MAN !
Move on with your life.

 

[Ferguson1878]

it’s a shame that the moshiri takeover has been a disaster , after watching that video seeing how the dock was to what it is now , staduim on a waterfront etc it would have been very easy and expected for everton to just build a generic staduim on some park somewhere but they didn’t they actually went and done something exciting , trust the team to put a shadow over this whole thing

 

[Bez2k2k]

Yes, as I said.... the cost depends entirely on the volume of construction required and that's dependent on what capacity can be reused..... but their figures (and similar at many other big clubs) clearly show that generally it is far cheaper for larger stadia to redevelop.

In many ways GP is a far better candidate for that treatment than Anfield. All the lower tiers can be kept and/or reprofiled, and larger new upper tiers built to add capacity get rid of all obstructed views and increase concourse space etc. So that means upto 31k is reuseable (27k if the top Balcony was to be replaced) only the upper Gwladys st and upper Bullens would need to be replaced. This would also be much cheaper per seat because you don't have to go up 4 floors before you've added any new capacity. The roof cost is generally proportional to the square of its depth.... and this would be reduced because you can have overlapping tiers due to the existing tiers being much lower than those at Anfield, where there is little to no overlaps. Getting from 31k to 53k (ie. 22k new seats) is nearly always going to be much cheaper than building 53k from scratch. Of course, that's not factoring in differences or benefits in terms location etc.

You may be right in your cost predictions, but that's very much dependent on what they can save from the existing stands on the 2 other stands (if anything). However, the two new stands have come in at an average of just £100m each (full project costs) for far greater volumes of construction than any side at BMD.... these stands are as big as Wembley's, with 92 and 86 rows. Repeated on all four sides would have them upto 75-80k. For them to build that from scratch would cost well over £1bn. So even at your figures that still a massive saving and probably even less than our costs for a far larger stadium. That's the main reason we are not comparing apples with apples. If they'd just needed what we are going for, they've achieved it for relative buttons by (the admittedly crude) comparison. The benefits for them of course are obvious and multiple.

Why even bother posting stuff like this. Bramley moore is happening so why bother posting GP is better for redevelopment for this and this and this reason. It doesn’t matter.