New Everton Stadium

[TraffordBlue]

The "relative cheap" descriptor comes from the basic comparison of where they're at so far:

Approx £200m for 61k capacity versus our £750m for 53k. It really isn't close.

That comparison is even more stark when you realise that basically they got to 54k for just £114m versus £750m. You can break it down further with comparisons of Corporate and General admission capacities, prices and revenue. I think their matchday income will still be over 3 times ours at BMD.

Both their stands needed quite substantial land takes but reused significant existing capacity.... that also meant that quite a large proportion of the construction volume was just to get up to the height of the existing stands.

Compared to the cost of construction the cost of land/property acquisition is quite small in the likes of Anfield/Goodison..... and is usually covered in whole project costs.

Your projected costs for Anfield are all dependent on the design format chosen and on what (if anything) can be retained from the existing stands. So it is difficult to predict the final cost, but you have to remember that if they get to 70k+ capacity at £500m, that is still significantly less than BMD for a much larger stadium and a fraction of the cost of a new build 70k elsewhere.

It's the same reason Real Madrid have spent £1bn on the Bernabeu.... it would cost them £2bn+ to recreate from scratch. So, not cheap as you say, but significantly less than the alternative.

The problem they have is that Anfield will always have limitations with space to expand further and the age of their ground. They retain an iconic stadium undoubtedly, but that comes at a cost. They will never compete with Old Trafford which is a peer club for them and they'll only have a similar capacity to Spurs, Arsenal and City, and even less than West Ham which will hurt their ego.

Whilst 55K would have been more appropriate to the size of our fanbase, our capacity decision focused more on building an iconic modern upgrade to GP, in an unrivalled location. The ageing Anfield can't compete with that.

We also have the ability to add 10K capacity through safe standing to my knowledge which would satisfy demand if necessary. We don't need an ego boost in attendances as we have a 78,000 record attendance at our Home Stadium to boast. These were proper supporters too. That lot may be able to fill the MCG or a Stadium in Bangkok with near 100,000 gloryhunting daytrippers but they'll never do it with genuine supporters and they certainly can't at Anfield.

 

[CrustySack]

@Tom Hughes Anfield or Goodison for that matter cannot hold a candle to BMD. Anfield looks cheap and is a symmetrical mess inside and out, and that's without even mentioning it's location which is no longer ideal for the 21st century. We all know Goodison's shortcomings which is why we are moving to a new stadium. You're honestly coming across as a negative Nelly when it comes to discussing our new home. Just enjoy the fact that our club will have a home to be proud of.

 

[Johnnytotal]

Not trying to gain anything. They are direct responses to other people's comments only. Nothing whatsoever to do with positivity or negativity..... it's a discussion forum. If there is something you disagree with feel free to comment.

'During the war' comes to mind everytime you talk about the stadium.

You seem knowledgeable on stadia just think you go and on about what we could or should have done.

 

[muckers]

@Tom Hughes Anfield or Goodison for that matter cannot hold a candle to BMD. Anfield looks cheap and is a symmetrical mess inside and out, and that's without even mentioning its location which is no longer ideal for the 21st century. We all know Goodison's shortcomings which is why we are moving to a new stadium. You're honestly coming across as a negative Nelly when it comes to discussing our new home. Just enjoy the fact that our club will have a home to be proud of.

Anfield certainly can’t.

I’ve been to Anfield loads of times and I’ve had a good look round a half built BMD from pitch side.

Anfield isn’t in the same class. I don’t give a [Poor language removed] how many executive bosses they have to ram in with wools who are just on a day out. Let them have their theme park.

We will have the far, far better stadium in a location that is sensational.

A few years from now, it’ll be full of bars and restaurants etc. Basically an extension of the city centre.

BMD is the first big time thing the club have done in generations.

Take no notice to those who complain about the capacity. Once stadiums get too big they become cavernous and lose the intimacy. It’s not a dick measuring contest.

Once the safe standing regulations allow, and they will, we will have the most intimidating, tight mid to late 50k stadium in world football.

 

[Tom Hughes]

You are negative.

Constantly.

“No demand for tickets at Goodison”

“loads of empty seats at home games”

None of which is true.

Several times you’ve derided the South stand as it “only has a few more rows” than the Gwladys Street stand.

You never state it is around 3k bigger with the very real possibility it will end up about 5.5k bigger.

If loads of people think you’re negative on here, are they all wrong?

That’s before we get onto your constant defence/bigging up of Anfield.

Which is just plain weird.

I never said that there was no demand for tickets at GP at all. I said that I've regularly had spares that go unsold on the official and unofficial resell sites (including on here, and including last season) as I've got 4 season tickets.... I've had responsibility for upto 7 tickets (family) for decades. I've also regularly got some empty seats around me. Presumably no shows who also haven't resold (for whatever reason).

The South stand was supposed to be our version of the South tribune at Dortmund.... it's not. Just 2 rows more than the Street end does not make it particularly big at all. The original was over 16k as was the one proposed at Walton Hall Park, the new Anfield Rd is 26 rows bigger and no-one is branding it the Red wall. It will also not go up by 5.5k at the tread depths chosen, because only approx 6k safe standing seats have been allocated and 750mm treads only correspond to 1.3-1.5:1 according to the green guide. These will never be 2:1 ratio to yield 5.5k.... they may never be greater than 1:1. Again.... simple facts. Yes, if you include the corners the total capacity is good compared to the Gwladys Street (which has a church in one corner)... but if you include corner capacities elsewhere, their totals also go up. If you include them af the actual South tribune the total capacity is almost 30k.....

I'm not bigging up Anfield at all.... I've been quite critical of it on several forums..... but you cannot argue in terms of the basic cost comparison.

If you view the basic facts as negative, then that's your problem not mine. I'm as excited about BMD as most, but don't believe in hyping every aspect or plain mistruths.... we had that in abundance with Kirkby. I've been consistent in my reservations particularly regarding the finances. The original financial model was entirely dependent on our backer filling huge gaps. That has completely collapsed (it did prior to the Ukraine conflict), and we're currently under investigation due to profit and sustainability rules and completely hsmstrung on FFP too, so I think those reservations have at least in part been justified. That's not to say the new arrangements won't yet pull it all back..... but let's not pretend that this has been all positive news.

 

[Tom Hughes]

'During the war' comes to mind everytime you talk about the stadium.

You seem knowledgeable on stadia just think you go and on about what we could or should have done.

I am only responding to other people's posts and not doing an Uncle Albert at all. I didn't start this line of discussion.... so perhaps you need to address your concerns to those that did or refer to my points that you disagree with.

 

[muckers]

If 6k safe standing seats are available at the South Stand and the ratio is changed to 1:1.5, that means an extra 3k taking it to 16k.

Ok, we’ll just take your word that your critical of Anfield “on onther forums” because you won’t have a word said against it on here.

 

[Tom Hughes]

LET IT GO MAN !
Move on with your life.

Firstly, I'm long moved on.... (and looking at a flat in the Tobacco warehouse as we speak) I was looking at the Docks and other sites when many here were probably voting for Kirkby and telling me and others in KEIOC to shut up and move on.....

Secondly, I didn't bring it up, so you're probably talking to the wrong person!

 

[Toffeelover]

The problem they have is that Anfield will always have limitations with space to expand further and the age of their ground. They retain an iconic stadium undoubtedly, but that comes at a cost. They will never compete with Old Trafford which is a peer club for them and they'll only have a similar capacity to Spurs, Arsenal and City, and even less than West Ham which will hurt their ego.

Whilst 55K would have been more appropriate to the size of our fanbase, our capacity decision focused more on building an iconic modern upgrade to GP, in an unrivalled location. The ageing Anfield can't compete with that.

We also have the ability to add 10K capacity through safe standing to my knowledge which would satisfy demand if necessary. We don't need an ego boost in attendances as we have a 78,000 record attendance at our Home Stadium to boast. These were proper supporters too. That lot may be able to fill the MCG or a Stadium in Bangkok with near 100,000 gloryhunting daytrippers but they'll never do it with genuine supporters and they certainly can't at Anfield.

I was there when we played Inter Milan and I think the attedance then was over 70K, bot was it packed.

PS we were cheated by a bent referee.

 

[Tom Hughes]

@Tom Hughes Anfield or Goodison for that matter cannot hold a candle to BMD. Anfield looks cheap and is a symmetrical mess inside and out, and that's without even mentioning it's location which is no longer ideal for the 21st century. We all know Goodison's shortcomings which is why we are moving to a new stadium. You're honestly coming across as a negative Nelly when it comes to discussing our new home. Just enjoy the fact that our club will have a home to be proud of.

Many great stadia are Assymetrical.... the Bernabeu, San Siro and Nou camp, Westfalen to name but 4. BMD even has one smaller end stand that some are saying adds to it.

Yes we all know Goodison's short comings, but we don't know what it would look like after it's had £200m+ spent on it like Anfield (let alone £750m), because none of those studies have ever been carried out. Why don't we know that? Just as Liverpool fans didn't know what a refurbished Anfield might look like prior to FSG. They were told it wasn't possible or financially feasible..... when the facts have shown the opposite to be the truth. H&G wanted a massive futuristic statement project which would've added even more debt, but could've packaged the club to maximise a quick return. Their debts in acquiring the club and reliance on debt led financing to build pulled the rug after the crash. We couldn't even secure a loan for BMD before the Ukraine conflict and despite the owner funding the whole intial phase with a £30m upfront promise of sponsorship. Why is/was that? The loss of our backer has turned what there was of a financial model upside down.... FM has had to pay for the lot and potentially sell one quarter of the whole club to MSP for just one fifth of the cost of the stadium build alone! That doesn't shout rude health by any measure!

Yes, BMD looks great....but, lets be honest, it should do at £750m!!! What if the resultant Profit and Sustainability issues blow up in our faces? Could it sink the club without trace? What will it look like then.....? Will that be a negative or a positive?

So, yes..... we know all the good stuff..... and yes, much of it looks really good. Or at least it did with USM involved. What about the rest? Should we never discuss the issues even when the authorities so clearly are? Has the club's scattergun economic model been that successful thus far that it has filled us all with unending confidence? If so, I've missed something!

I'm as excited about the stadium as most..... but i have some reservations/concerns, that I don't think are unfounded. I don't believe in using hype or misplaced/misinformed comparisons to mask them.

 

[fitzyefc]

The stadium will look good on the outside.
The inside is underwhelming, the North stand is poor and the South stand is nothing like we was promised.
Saying this doesnt make people less of an Evertonian just like people saying its amazing doesnt mean there more of an Evertonian. Its peoples personal opinion.

 

[muckers]

The stadium will look good on the outside.
The inside is underwhelming, the North stand is poor and the South stand is nothing like we was promised.
Saying this doesnt make people less of an Evertonian just like people saying its amazing doesnt mean there more of an Evertonian. Its peoples personal opinion.

Have you been inside the stadium and seen it with your own eyes?

I guarantee you won’t think it’s underwhelming.

What were we promised for the South Stand?

 

[bobbymill]

The stadium will look good on the outside.
The inside is underwhelming, the North stand is poor and the South stand is nothing like we was promised.
Saying this doesnt make people less of an Evertonian just like people saying its amazing doesnt mean there more of an Evertonian. Its peoples prsonal opinion.

 

[Ferguson1878]

The stadium will look good on the outside.
The inside is underwhelming, the North stand is poor and the South stand is nothing like we was promised.
Saying this doesnt make people less of an Evertonian just like people saying its amazing doesnt mean there more of an Evertonian. Its peoples personal opinion.

like when we go overboard either way with players

 

[Ferguson1878]

Have you been inside the stadium and seen it with your own eyes?

I guarantee you won’t think it’s underwhelming.

What were we promised for the South Stand?

think the original was 16 k