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New Everton Stadium

Exeter_Gently said:
I think will be completed before the start of next season...and then they'll take all the glory for getting it done before the season starts.
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Hopefully mate. There must be a cut off point say in March where they'll have a better idea of exactly how much is left to do and if they can get and pay for extra crews to work around the clock during the late spring/summer to get it finished. It only needs to be the public facing rooms like the lounges, changing rooms etc. to be 100% fitted out. The concourses and other non key rooms could be left functional and be completed during the season.

That way still allows planning for a final send off for Goodison in May and they'll start bagging the larger income straight from that new season. That said you think there would be 'possibly' added to the language to say it could be ready at the start of the new season/September time instead of very much it won't be ready.
 
Gardocki said:
We get it. It would have been cheaper. i don’t think there’s much of an argument other than that.
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I could put forward one. Obviously the actual rebuild will be cheaper, but no one would be able to quote how much the redevelopment might cost due to legal actions by businesses and homeowners and the fact by the time you get on to stand 3 how many years or decades have passed to increase those costs.

In BM's case it is possible that naming rights alone over a 50-75 year period could claw back most if not all the cost of the stadium build. When you subtract that from the total along with a better commercial return due to location which Goodison couldn't then see which is cheaper in the long run.
 
BullensRoad said:
Yes HOK would have loved the money thrown at them to try and create a project that would never happen. Hence their half arsed renders.
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Except of course, they're not their renders. HOK/Populous, were never short of projects and certainly wouldn't put their name to it if it could not be done. The club's architects never disputed their claims regarding the site.
Gardocki said:
You and others championed those plans. If they had been taken seriously and the proposals realised, it would have been a poor solution IMO.

It would also have meant we would stay long term in a stadium with its architectural heritage and its soul ripped out by some ugly extensions and an oversized Park End.

I am glad that this didn’t happen and that we are moving to a fantastic stadium in an incredible setting on the Mersey.

We get it. It would have been cheaper. i don’t think there’s much of an argument other than that.
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I think the current financial shenanigans show that reduced cost is far from a trivial benefit for our club. In anycase, surely the benefits were that it could've been both bigger AND cost far less, thus better furure-proofing the stadium and club? Three stands the same height, just as at BMD..... (even all four stands the same height would be well within our current outlay).

Of course, it might've not offered the owner the same land-development or sell-on opprtunities/profit as BMD... and almost certainly not the same picture-post card sales.... but it probably also wouldn't cause a billionaire to have to go cap in hand to potential shark investors to secure the money to finish it off. Financially hamstrung both on and off the pitch. Potentially having to sell off one quarter of the whole club for less than one fifth of the stadium cost alone. Little or none of which really shouts prudent financial viability.

The only hope is that BMD offers a massive financial/perception step-change to overcome that disparity in cost and that ultimately most of the debt doesn't land on the club/future-owners. As people keep saying, the waterfront site and iconography of the design appears to at least be of the potential to do that.... and hopefully a completed stadium will boost that potential further.
 
Bestway site was always the worst of just about any city centre based solution for me, never really explored why, but was just a gut feeling. It always felt like somebody had simply looked at Google maps for an area that could fit a ground in it and went all out to prove they were right. Absolutely everything would have been a botch, in my opinion. The site was never fitting for our club. Ever.

Also, the whole 'HOK wouldn't put their name to something unviable'. They regularly do, as part of competition entries. Similar to concept cars, what gets built is often very far removed from the actual reality of it, if built in any capacity at all. Yes there are some bits that resemble original design, but they are few and far between as its mainly down to physics. The buildings that they do get right pay for the ones they experiment with. I think there was one early in this very thread that people got all excited about, cant remember which design house it came out of, but was completely unviable.

BMD is a FAR better solution that anything that could have been done at Best way, even if bestway had of given us a 90k seater stadium for £20 and a train ticket.

All in my opinion of course.
 



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