New Everton Stadium

arch stanton said:
It's ace mate, me and @BlueInNZ i spent hours in there last year putting the world right
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First time, defo not the last. Met some lad on the train who looks the spit of Jason Momoa, a red apparently but from Canada so wants to see PL footy. His mate has sorted him a ticket for our game, so I've dragged him with me. Fed him half my gin, I've been his tour guid , he is half cut. Next job, turn him blue
 


Why we need a new stadium...

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55 quid...

It would be three decades easily to sort it all out if we chose to stay.
 
muckers said:
Absolutely text book Tom.

I don’t care how many rows, I care about how many people it can hold.

So despite it “only being 20 rows” bigger than the small park end, it is well over twice the capacity and could possibly hold nearly 3 times as much if/when the legislation changes.

And I have seen it in person a few times, you haven’t.

It is mightily impressive and the Park end is laughable in comparison.

And the Yellow wall was referenced as they meant the stadium would have a steep, single tier home end where the most passionate fans will be housed and will be the beating heart of the stadium.

They were hardly going to use the Kop for that point were they?

The Yellow wall has 120 rows you say? Even the bigger design wouldn’t come close to that which just illustrates my point.
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I never made the comparison with the yellow wall, the club did! My point was that it was hype and that the reduced 60rows, while a good size, is nothing really remarkable in that context.

The comparison with the Park end was purely about depth of a stand we're all familiar with, so that people could get a feel for what 60 rows meant. I qualified that with further more direct comparisons with several other big goal stands, but you've only homed in on the one related to a simple scale comparison with a comparatively small stand. If you simply added 20 rows to the Park end it would be a 9k stand..... would anyone think that was a large home end stand reminiscent of the yellow wall? No. Similar with the Gwladys street comparison. If the church wasn't there it would have the same or bigger capacity than the south stand, but would anyone say it was a massive home end? My assertion was that the answer for most people would again be no.

What would have a higher propensity to generate noise and spread chants: a 4 sided ground of say 20 rows or a one sided monster stand of 80 rows? That unity is generally proportional to the number of rows. Yes, bowl effect helps too, but again that applies to all other club's home ends too, especially if you're going to add people sitting in the corners to boost home-end capacity figures. Both ends at Old Trafford for instance would be over 20k each..... any Yellow Wall references?

Actually, the initial bigger design in full safe-standing mode (ie 2 steps per row at 2:1 capacity ratio) could've been very similar to the yellow wall. Unfortunately, the revised plans choice of 750mm treads meant that it will never be 2:1 ratio and only the first 27 rows are earmaked for that treatment in anycase. So there was a conscious down-sizing from the initial design which coined the whole yellow wall comparison at the first consultation stage.

You're right I haven't been inside BMD yet, but I've been in many similar sized stands and I have been to Dortmund a few times too.... the first time about 40yrs ago when it was approximately half its current depth, so I've seen (and heard) the difference between small and large versions and I can tell you it can be absolutely deafening in there now. The overall point being that I've been a bit wary of false advertising by EFC since the days of "Stadium for practically nothing" etc.
 

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