New Everton Stadium

[BullensRoad]

No, I didn't because I could see it for it was. I hated Kenwright and couldn't wait to see the back of him.

Well, I've asked you numerous times to nail your colours to the mast and you keep skirting around the issue. If the wall doesn't obscure the view of the pitch then what is the problem!? There are plenty of seats in the stadium where you won't be able to see other parts, the same in every other stadium around the world. Regardless of how they dealt with the transition in that corner you would still have the same issue, a small minority of supporters would be able to see the pitch but not a section of the South stand.

So because this arrangement hasn't (allegedly) been introduced in another stadium then that makes it wrong? I don't know the reasons for taking this approach (and neither do you) but it is clear that a a number of alternatives have been considered and for whatever reason this is what has been taken forward.

Does it matter whether they were involved in the sight line modelling or not? They wouldn't state it for the world to see, and neither woudl the club, if it was untrue. Regardless, you appear to be agreeing with me that there won't be any obstructed views of the pitch, so again, what are you complaining for?

The image you are talking about, which I have tried to find, was a picture someone had taken from the very rear of the away section earlier on in the construction process; something similar to the below.

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As i recall, there was a bulk head or similar above (with a sticker on) which restricted the view slightly, similar to sitting in the Bullens and looking through a letter box. However, there was no context to this in terms of whether that actually formed an area where the seats would be; looked like it was taken from the concourse IMO. So, yet again no concrete evidence that there are any restricted views in the stadium.

That picture confirms it for me. No chance they’re restricted.

 

[AndyRJ]

That picture confirms it for me. No chance they’re restricted.

Should also be pointed out that the Away section has rail seating so will be safe standing.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[AndyRJ]

Wonder it scans as well as prints?

 

[Bedfordblue]

Be honest.... you voted for Kirkby and happy-clapped Kenwright on the big screen, didn't you?

Actually I was all in on a couple of other schemes that unfortunately failed to materialise.
One was the Bestway loop site where we could have built the Maracanã of the northwest for 100k spectators for the price of 3 bed semi, all in.
Then the scheme to redevelop Goodison to accommodate 60k+ with an adjoining 500 person hotel that would have had less guests than the Adelphi, and that was only going to cost the price of an Asda Bistro Meal for 2.
Unfortunately neither got past the back of a fag packet stage.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Bedfordblue]

Got my seat sorted anyway.

 

[Milkman]

Actually I was all in on a couple of other schemes that unfortunately failed to materialise.
One was the Bestway loop site where we could have built the Maracanã of the northwest for 100k spectators for the price of 3 bed semi, all in.
Then the scheme to redevelop Goodison to accommodate 60k+ with an adjoining 500 person hotel that would have had less guests than the Adelphi, and that was only going to cost the price of an Asda Bistro Meal for 2.
Unfortunately neither got past the back of a fag packet stage.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Should've been a capacity of 101,878 ffs

 

[AndyRJ]

Got my seat sorted anyway.
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In all seriousness, the angle of that picture confirms it for me. There is no chance that wall is going to obstruct the view of the pitch.

Anyone sat in the row of seats immediately adjacent to the wall will easily be able to see over the top of it (as they are looking downward) and be able to see the opposite corner flag.

 

[Merseyzig]

Adverts for 2nd hand Pink Floyd albums have begun appearing in my pop-ups, FFS.

 

[The binman chronicles]

No problem with you or anyone voicing a concern. However, no-on can state it as fact as there isn't any concrete evidence. I've given my view/ reasons why I believe there won't be any obstructed views of the pitch which includes direct quotes from the club and one of the main consultants confirming as such.

That's not to say that mistakes can't be made, they happen all the time in construction, particularly where there have been design changes. That being said, i find it extremely difficult to believe that on a project like this, where the entire stadium is modelled in a 3D environment down to the last nut and bolt, the club and it's professional design team have made a basic mistake such as this.

I don't view it as a mistake, it's a design choice.

Got my seat sorted anyway.
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That's not a bad mock up actually! Of course it won't be that big and when you start going back, you start going up, so you will be looking more down and across the platform.

In all seriousness, the angle of that picture confirms it for me. There is no chance that wall is going to obstruct the view of the pitch.

Anyone sat in the row of seats immediately adjacent to the wall will easily be able to see over the top of it (as they are looking downward) and be able to see the opposite corner flag.

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How come you can confirm it but we can't in the opposite way?

We have to wait and see, looking at a picture where the goaline is drawn at a helpful angle isn't proof. Here is that shown in a bit better way but still not evidence it will have a slightly restricted view, but it's evidence there could be an issue.

Unmolested picture first to see the platforms/rows better:

And this...

 

[AndyRJ]

I don't view it as a mistake, it's a design choice.

That's not a bad mock up actually! Of course it won't be that big and when you start going back, you start going up, so you will be looking more down and across the platform.

How come you can confirm it but we can't in the opposite way?

We have to wait and see, looking at a picture where the goaline is drawn at a helpful angle isn't proof. Here is that shown in a bit better way but still not evidence it will have a slightly restricted view, but it's evidence there could be an issue.


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You're taking a simplistic view of this though. It isn't a 2D problem, it's a 3D one.

The away section is safe standing. Anyone standing will be able to see over those walls easily.

The south stand, you're not taking into consideration the elevation of the seating and a persons envelope of visibility. The wall follows the rake of the stand and it also decreases in height the further towards the pitch it goes. So, anyone sat higher up won't be able to see a section of the south stand but will still be able to see the pitch clearly.

At the intersection point of their line of the sight (see below) the top of the wall will be 1, maybe 2 metres or more lower giving anyone clear sight of the pitch.

This will 100% have been checked as part of the detailed design process.

 

[AndyRJ]

Not sure this helps, it's very crude, but lets say the red line is the top of the wall and the green line is the visibility of someone sat in the upper seats.

They would have a restricted view of the south stand adjacent where the wall is at it's highest but they are looking down towards the pitch and over the wall.

The height of the wall decreases the further towards the pitch it gets so it becomes less of an issue.

 

[The binman chronicles]

You're taking a simplistic view of this though. It isn't a 2D problem, it's a 3D one.

The away section is safe standing. Anyone standing will be able to see over those walls easily.

The south stand, you're not taking into consideration the elevation of the seating and a persons envelope of visibility. The wall follows the rake of the stand and it also decreases in height the further towards the pitch it goes. So, anyone sat higher up won't be able to see a section of the south stand but will still be able to see the pitch clearly.

At the intersection point of their line of the sight (see below) the top of the wall will be 1, maybe 2 metres or more lower giving anyone clear sight of the pitch.

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This will 100% have been checked as part of the detailed design process.

You're are right, it is a 3d problem and that is exactly the point. At that intersection, if the people are standing on the South (which they should be) does the line of sight of the people in the East/West corners then get blocked from seeing across to the far corner of the pitch.

We're both explaining using 2d images and the bottom line is you believe they'll see 100% of the pitch and I'm not fully convinced, but will happily accept if I get in and there are no issues. It could also sit somewhere in-between where perhaps if someone is 2 inches shorter than the person they are trying to look over then it causes an issue, but same height/taller then they have no problems. Now if someone is a foot taller you can't blame the stadium design, but if they are within a certain tolerance then it is because the stadium could have not had any chance of that happening unless there are ridiculous differences in height.

Proof is in the pudding and we'll only find out when the stadium is full.

 

[kiss the crest]

Anyone heard anything about choosing a seat at the new stadium, on how their going to do it? With season ticket holders

 

[LEONARD]

A luxury watch showroom as well!!!

Christopher Ward has become the latest Founding Partner at Everton Stadium.

The innovative and exciting long-term agreement sees the UK’s largest watch brand further extend their burgeoning and successful relationship with Everton Football Club.

As part of the benefits of Founding Partner status, the Christopher Ward brand will become recognised within Everton Stadium as a ‘Presenting Partner’ of the revolutionary ‘Dock On 1’ concept – an exciting new social space of bars and restaurants that offers members a flexible matchday experience.

The creative team at the Anglo-Swiss organisation will help influence the design and experience of Dock on 1’s four socialising and dining experiences, which will all be based on the preferences and insight of modern football fans.

Dock on 1 will also incorporate an immersive Christopher Ward watch showroom experience, the first of its kind to be integrated into a football stadium anywhere in the world.