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New Everton Stadium
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wanna drone meet?
Just a guess, but I suspect because the place will be used for so many non-Everton events, a lot of the match day Everton stuff (not all of it) will be taken down on days when there is other stuff going on. Other stuff will be put in its place to promote the artist or event taking place on that day. No inside knowledge, just a hunch.
Vintage
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All playing out over Matty's neighbour's garden.
Vintage
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Apparently the neighbours refer to him as Kamikaze Matty
I heard they've installed netting over their entire property.
Anyway, just setting off now for the Chinese supermarket and a butchers at BMD, not seen it in the flesh with cladding done. Sans or Taipan, that is the question 
Tom Hughes
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Andy,
I'm not an expert, but have some experience in Transport Design projects and I am only commenting in broadbrush terms.
I spent a few yrs as a design engineer with Balfour Beatty Rail projects, working on various tram projects including the Merseytram proposals, Nottingham Express Tram, Manchester Metrolink extension and Sheffield Supertram mods and one overseas. This was mostly in a Mechanical/structural and system design capacity, but I was also involved in dynamic modelling for both the Nottingham and the aborted Merseytram systems, working with local transport planning and modelling.
In a non-professional capacity, I was also involved in looking at the transport plan for Destination Kirkby (throughout its multiple revisions), the potential for the Loop and I commissioned an outline transport plan for the Central Docks area, while working with the KEIOC campaign.
Yes, I read the transport plan when it was first published (I haven't read any revisions, if there have been any). I have also read similar plans for a few stadium projects, including most recently, the stadium expansion projects for the likes of our neighbours, Spurs, City and Man Utd etc.
By vague, I mean that the detail and modelling outcomes are pretty much headline only and not that clear, nor including much real data (that may well be in supporting docs that I haven't read). As I said, ultimately there is no calculated dispersal time to give an overall indication of how well the stadium transport infrastructure is expected to work, or compares to what we have now (unless I've missed it). Outwardly, there is little more depth than the Destination Kirkby transport plan, which admittedly had less fan consultation. Knowsley and the club repeatedly claimed that there were no issues with their transport plan, with it only fully revealed at the public inquiry that modelling had failed to produce any viable scheme, despite multiple revisions.... to the extent that there were built-in clauses, whereby the operating capacity would've had to be reduced significantly, to produce the dispersal requirements of the site.
I'm not saying that's the case here, or anything remotely close, just that the clarity is not dissimilar, and that a local council desperate for a major catalyst development, can be less than strict when considering transport/logistics and fan's convenience. Hence the apparent dominance of Shank's Pony and walking speed prowess in some people's assessments here.
In back of fag packet maths terms: The club has stated that the site needs a 60:40 public to private transport ratio. That equates to approximately 31k+ using public transport to access BMD. Presumably, that means that after modelling, they've calculated that the surrounding infrastructure can only support a maximum additional 20k fans in cars (at average loading), to either avoid gridlock/or keep within local parking capacity, for any matchday arrival/departure window. Again, I haven't seen that modelling data, so I've no idea of any tolerances or the balance of that requirement between traffic movement/availability-of-road-space and parking, but for comparison, at some stadia in London, that ratio can be as high as 90%+ public transport. 29 shuttle buses doing 2 trips each equates to approx 4600 fans to Bootle and Town, if their turnaround times can be achieved. Why isn't there also short shuttle to the edge of town (say the King Edward Site) where say just 10 buses could possibly do 6 trips per hour if fully segregated, moving approx 4800 pph to town alone? It's not clear what segregation they'll have to help achieve those numbers, but just two trips per bus would seem to indicate a fairly long turnaround time for a 3 mile round-trip shuttle service. I think Merseyrail at Sandhills can provide approx 12 trains per hour in either direction. Of course, that capacity is shared with non-matchgoing passengers and the system doesn't cover most of the city, but that could equate to a match-going capacity of 3-6k in both directions. However, I think Merseyrail recently stated that the station itself can only process approx 4k passengers per hour, which was why the importance of the proposed Vauxhall Station was repeatedly mentioned during the planning process (and would've happened if the commonwealth games bid had been successful). A further say 20-30 buses per hr at Scotland/Stanley Rd at half loading, would equate to an additional 1000-1500 per hr (requiring a 1 mile walk).
So, available public transport capacity from within 1 mile walk of the site could be less than 10k per hr, with only a proportion of that being direct services to fan's home districts. Of course there's taxies available too, but again they're relatively inefficient and are additional strain on the limited available road space. At first pass, that appears a long way short of the required 31k. Yes, many very local residents (within say a 2 mile radius) could walk to and from the stadium, and many fans with no direct services to BMD can walk to and from town and all its major hubs, but there was little indication of the projected proportions using which routes and how they match the available service capacities etc. For instance, that same Merseyrail capacity is also available to matchgoers at Goodison, via usage of Kirkdale, Bankhall and Sandhills Stations (with 5 available platforms), yet only a relatively small proportion of that capacity is used on matchdays. Is this because the Northern Line only covers a small proportion of the total city catchment, or because buses and driving is easier or more convenient at GP? How will this pattern shift at BMD?
I'm not saying that the apparent capacity gap, or any of the transport issues are insurmountable. Just that the transport plan (that I read) doesn't appear to cover it fully.
Tom Hughes
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A great selection of Irish Whiskey in a couple too, but I'm saying nothing!
The binman chronicles
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Need to stop chopping onions whilst watching videos like this...
Tom Hughes
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Cmon Tom, public transport will get addressed so that’s a non-issue. They will add new services or tweak some that already serve GP.
GP is awful and a nightmare for access roads and car parking, same as our old place in across the park, why will BMD be any worse?
I drive now to GP and I’m only in west derby, I could walk it l but dont with the two kids and its prob a hangover from when I lived in Huyton.
I know I won’t be driving to BMD, so someone can have my spec!
About 20yrs ago the football research unit did a study of dispersal times at all major football clubs. As far as I can remember GP did fairly well compared to most clubs. Much better than Anfield, which is only 500m away. Probably due to the different demographics of the fanbases, but also shorter walking distances to more bus and train services.
Yes, some services can be tweaked, but not by that much until deregulation is reversed. Which is why there are so few soccerbuses now.
As I've said, I think the onus will be on bridging the gap, and getting people to and from town effectively, which I think is very achievable..... and lots of (apparently really fast) walking.
Hit and miss really sometimes pongs other days it's fine. Tends to be alot worse further up the road by Huskisson/Canada Dock.
Think it will be fine on a match day though. So many people and goings on in the area it should mask any smell, sure there was talk of United Utilities having some sort of plan to limit any stench on match days.