New Everton Stadium

[AndyRJ]

Huge difference that isn't mate. I know the rest of the stands won't be as steep but I'm assuming there's some kind of gradient going on from all sides as when you see a video from the upper south stand, it's very visible that there's a curvature in the East and West.

That's the East stand which starts at 22 degrees, then 25 degrees and finally 34 degrees in the upper. All the upper tiers should be the same and it's just the lower that varies to suit things like the super riser, boxes, disabled areas etc.

 

[maccavennie]

That's the East stand which starts at 22 degrees, then 25 degrees and finally 34 degrees in the upper. All the upper tiers should be the same and it's just the lower that varies to suit things like the super riser, boxes, disabled areas etc.

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That'll be the West stand isn't mate as it's got the middle executive tier where it makes it look like a 3rd tier.

Either way, still a great find as it definitely shows the gradient rising.

Edit- sorry mate I'm wrong I've just noticed that big wall in the South stand so can see it's the East

 

[AndyRJ]

That'll be the West stand isn't mate as it's got the middle executive tier where it makes it look like a 3rd tier.

Either way, still a great find as it definitely shows the gradient rising.

No, it's the east.

 

[maccavennie]

No, it's the east.

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Edited my last post mate when I realised I'd got it wrong

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Upon closer inspection, that section suggests the lower stand varies from 26 degrees through to 34 degrees!

red=26 degrees, blue=28 degrees, green=30 degrees, orange=34 degrees

So that clears that one up

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Good detective work Andy!

If you come across the height of that annoying super riser put that up to.

 

[Vintage]

I don't know what people were expecting?
Twirly whirly wrap around tv screens?
Rainbow coloured seats?
Trapeze artists flying through the roof structure in breathtaking feats of derring do?
The hanging gardens of Babylon?
Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plains?

Some Trapeze artists would have been nice actually. Maybe some flying monkeys too. Starting to feel a bit deflated about the stadium now

 

[muckers]

Good detective work Andy!

If you come across the height of that annoying super riser put that up to.

The super riser is 1800mm high. Or 5ft 10 if you prefer.

 

[Bez2k2k]

The Blue Camp has just stuck with me.

 

[Bedfordblue]

The Blue Camp has just stuck with me.

Need a team that stops it from simply being irony unfortunately….

As for other terms/phases being muted with the new ground, got a big supply of sick bags at the ready in case ‘the blue wave’ sticks for the South stand.

 

[allen]

Just perusing the Echo's article showing some photos of the details at the new ground.

We're so used to seeing it aerially, and at a distance - which is absolutely not how we'll experience it. Seeing Goodison from the air is nothing like the experience of being there.

So getting ground-level pictures of obscure things is closer to what you notice when you're actually there.

The first thing that leapt out to me was how brilliant the brickwork looks. I've been a bit wary about that, but it looks like it's starting to bed in. A bit more randomised weathering of the bricks and it'll look better still:

I also think the black panels look great in this, and look more like windows than I was expecting.

Love the lighting detail on these escalators.

And of course the Archibald Leitch trim on the fencing:

Once this place is ready for match day, I think we're going to be totally blown away by it.

 

[Pazza]

I think the main thing missing in the new stadium and which will be the deal breaker....is the fans.

The steepness, close proximity of the design, with 52k Evertonians I think is when the magic will happen.

The facilities will be second to none but I'll be honest I don't care for any of that kind of thing. What I want is a vociferous wall of noise and I think, sorry I'll rephrase that to I believe, that's what we'll get Tom.

It's our first move for every single one of us who is alive, we'll make that stadium something to be proud of, something to be feared for the opposition. It's built to not be a diluted run of the mill stadium. It's built for Evertonians, the angry da's, the thoughtful ma's, the young kids, the newbies and the ones who haven't missed a match since 1984.

I'd have loved a triple tier, I'm a lover (like yourself I should imagine) of creativity, overlapping stands, intimidating structures which rise like giants (for all our main stand has so many bloody obstructed views, you will never find a fan who walks up those street end steps for the first time, looks to the right and doesn't crap their pants at the sheer scale of our main stand!)

There's a 1000 things I love about Goodison and only about 3 things I hate.

There's loads of things I've seen at our new stadium where I think "wish they'd done this, wish they'd do that, why haven't they thought of this".

But I keep going back to the same thing which is "if I put 52k Evertonians in BMD, it's going to absolutely explode".

It's like a firework. The fans are the flame. It's just waiting to ignite and when it does.......wow.

Bravo well said mate. One question and I agree we need that wall of noise, however how do we achieve that?
I appreciate we are [Poor language removed] at present but Goodison is silent most of the game. I sit in the mainstand and I can hear the Gladys corners trying to get us going but most times no one follows.

 

[AndyRJ]

Bravo well said mate. One question and I agree we need that wall of noise, however how do we achieve that?
I appreciate we are [Poor language removed] at present but Goodison is silent most of the game. I sit in the mainstand and I can hear the Gladys corners trying to get us going but most times no one follows.

Stop playing garbage football and score lots of goals. Easy.

 

[Tom Hughes]

I think the main thing missing in the new stadium and which will be the deal breaker....is the fans.

The steepness, close proximity of the design, with 52k Evertonians I think is when the magic will happen.

The facilities will be second to none but I'll be honest I don't care for any of that kind of thing. What I want is a vociferous wall of noise and I think, sorry I'll rephrase that to I believe, that's what we'll get Tom.

It's our first move for every single one of us who is alive, we'll make that stadium something to be proud of, something to be feared for the opposition. It's built to not be a diluted run of the mill stadium. It's built for Evertonians, the angry da's, the thoughtful ma's, the young kids, the newbies and the ones who haven't missed a match since 1984.

I'd have loved a triple tier, I'm a lover (like yourself I should imagine) of creativity, overlapping stands, intimidating structures which rise like giants (for all our main stand has so many bloody obstructed views, you will never find a fan who walks up those street end steps for the first time, looks to the right and doesn't crap their pants at the sheer scale of our main stand!)

There's a 1000 things I love about Goodison and only about 3 things I hate.

There's loads of things I've seen at our new stadium where I think "wish they'd done this, wish they'd do that, why haven't they thought of this".

But I keep going back to the same thing which is "if I put 52k Evertonians in BMD, it's going to absolutely explode".

It's like a firework. The fans are the flame. It's just waiting to ignite and when it does.......wow.

I think the main "criticism" the stadium has received has been that internally it is fairly basic (compared to the likes of NWHL etc). Tbf, it is. Two tiers on all sides, with the lower tier raised on the south stand to give the impression/illusion of a large single tier home end, by use of the super-riser. Spurs did similar with their South Stand, but less conspicuosly, with the dividing rail rather than a solid wall/balcony. That said, I think the wrap around upper tier at BMD is far more effective than that at Spurs, but only wish we had filled more of that void space under the roof at that end, by adding another 15+rows to increase capacity, and really make that end stand out, as 60 rows is not really that remarkable for this type of stand. That would've required a slight adjustment of the roof trusses, but easily achievable. As you say, it would've also been nice for the east stand to be 3 tier (as it was in the original drafts), with a full corporate middle tier and more boxes to really add exclusivity and therefore value to those areas.

To navigate the various planning and heritage minefields, there has possibly been a far greater onus placed on the externals and certainly the conservation efforts, than would've been the case at any other site. I think it is fair to say that that additional cost plus the very high site preparation costs, has probably influenced the design strategy for the seated bowl. Of course the club will probably say it hasn't.

That simplicity is not necessarily a bad thing in terms of aesthetics or function... as they say, sometimes less is indeed more. Hopefully, the format chosen will give a greater effect of unity and acoustics than at the other modern stadia in the league.

 

[allen]

I think the main "criticism" the stadium has received has been that internally it is fairly basic (compared to the likes of NWHL etc). Tbf, it is. Two tiers on all sides, with the lower tier raised on the south stand to give the impression/illusion of a large single tier home end, by use of the super-riser. Spurs did similar with their South Stand, but less conspicuosly, with the dividing rail rather than a solid wall/balcony. That said, I think the wrap around upper tier at BMD is far more effective than that at Spurs, but only wish we had filled more of that void space under the roof at that end, by adding another 15+rows to increase capacity, and really make that end stand out, as 60 rows is not really that remarkable for this type of stand. That would've required a slight adjustment of the roof trusses, but easily achievable. As you say, it would've also been nice for the east stand to be 3 tier (as it was in the original drafts), with a full corporate middle tier and more boxes to really add exclusivity and therefore value to those areas.

To navigate the various planning and heritage minefields, there has possibly been a far greater onus placed on the externals and certainly the conservation efforts, than would've been the case at any other site. I think it is fair to say that that additional cost plus the very high site preparation costs, has probably influenced the design strategy for the seated bowl. Of course the club will probably say it hasn't.

That simplicity is not necessarily a bad thing in terms of aesthetics or function... as they say, sometimes less is indeed more. Hopefully, the format chosen will give a greater effect of unity and acoustics than at the other modern stadia in the league.

We can pontificate about what the tier arrangement looks like in an empty ground, but none of us can judge it properly until we're watching a game there, as @maccavennie says.

 

[AndyRJ]

I think the main "criticism" the stadium has received has been that internally it is fairly basic (compared to the likes of NWHL etc). Tbf, it is. Two tiers on all sides, with the lower tier raised on the south stand to give the impression/illusion of a large single tier home end, by use of the super-riser. Spurs did similar with their South Stand, but less conspicuosly, with the dividing rail rather than a solid wall/balcony. That said, I think the wrap around upper tier at BMD is far more effective than that at Spurs, but only wish we had filled more of that void space under the roof at that end, by adding another 15+rows to increase capacity, and really make that end stand out, as 60 rows is not really that remarkable for this type of stand. That would've required a slight adjustment of the roof trusses, but easily achievable. As you say, it would've also been nice for the east stand to be 3 tier (as it was in the original drafts), with a full corporate middle tier and more boxes to really add exclusivity and therefore value to those areas.

To navigate the various planning and heritage minefields, there has possibly been a far greater onus placed on the externals and certainly the conservation efforts, than would've been the case at any other site. I think it is fair to say that that additional cost plus the very high site preparation costs, has probably influenced the design strategy for the seated bowl. Of course the club will probably say it hasn't.

That simplicity is not necessarily a bad thing in terms of aesthetics or function... as they say, sometimes less is indeed more. Hopefully, the format chosen will give a greater effect of unity and acoustics than at the other modern stadia in the league.

We definitely undercooked the capacity. Even if we couldn't have stretched the budget to 60k plus, we should have at least made the South Stand a little bit more unique by extending it and making it taller than the rest, like you say.

Nevertheless, I'm more than happy with the stadium overall and i think a lot of opinions will change once it's open and full on a match day.

I'm sure if this takeover goes through, and the Friedkins bring us even a small amount of success, they will look to extend capacity somehow, particularly the hospitality. We've already got a whopping waiting list for season tickets and sold out the hospitality easily and that's with us going through a torrid time at the moment. Even a bit of moderate positivity around the club will have even more clamouring for a ticket IMO.