New Everton Stadium

[John BCN]

I’ve often wondered does the 52,888 figure include those accompanying the wheelchair seats?

If you also add the players, subs, coaching and medical staff, bus driver and kitten that should take it over Matty's magic 53,000.

 

[phil_t98]

Great that pal.
How's you feeling?
Hopefully well on the way to a full recovery

Yeah getting there thanks, feel good but just get tired easy. Could be age

 

[Salt & Pepper Toffee]

It does if we want to have a competitive team. There isn't an economic case for the additional seats as far as I understand and it won't improve the atmosphere.

I think an extra 10-15k extra Evertonians would absolutely improve the atmosphere and help the team. It would also give Evertonians a chance to have a season ticket or a match day ticket. If the demands there the club should want to capitalise on it.

 

[Bluebonic]

The whole of Newcastle is a brown ale site.

Fixed!

 

[Tom Hughes]

I think an extra 10-15k extra Evertonians would absolutely improve the atmosphere and help the team. It would also give Evertonians a chance to have a season ticket or a match day ticket. If the demands there the club should want to capitalise on it.

It's the old sweetspot economics argument. For each 10k increase in capacity, the overall cost can increase by 50% or more, as heavier structure, more vertical transport, more floors/floorspace, more roof area etc are all required. Yes, if it's a freeby stadium, or if your owner has really deep pockets, they can afford to "stack 'em high and sell'em cheap". However, if the club needs to cover the costs or the owner wants a short term ROI, with new seats that pay for themselves asap, then they'll want to control those costs and at a capacity that maintains a healthy demand, that won't require selling cheap ticket prices to fill it. We don't yet know how solid or cost resilient our waiting list is. It has grown out of years reasonably priced season tickets at a limited capacity stadium. Opening up that capacity too far and having to increase those ticket prices to cover the subsequent increased costs, could see those waiting lists disappear. After all, 53k represents a not insignificant 30% increase in capacity.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Why don't they just move? If Newcastle is anything like Liverpool there must be any number of brownfield sites not that far away?

Could be a number or combination of reasons. They might really value the excellent transport links or quality of the surrounding built-environment or even history/heritage of the current site. They may also be able to recycle some of the existing stands to save on costs. The alternative sites may also be limited or problematic in terms of planning etc, although the ones I've seen mentioned seem to be very close by.

 

[WelshBlue92]

It's the old sweetspot economics argument. For each 10k increase in capacity, the overall cost can increase by 50% or more, as heavier structure, more vertical transport, more floors/floorspace, more roof area etc are all required. Yes, if it's a freeby stadium, or if your owner has really deep pockets, they can afford to "stack 'em high and sell'em cheap". However, if the club needs to cover the costs or the owner wants a short term ROI, with new seats that pay for themselves asap, then they'll want to control those costs and at a capacity that maintains a healthy demand, that won't require selling cheap ticket prices to fill it. We don't yet know how solid or cost resilient our waiting list is. It has grown out of years reasonably priced season tickets at a limited capacity stadium. Opening up that capacity too far and having to increase those ticket prices to cover the subsequent increased costs, could see those waiting lists disappear. After all, 53k represents a not insignificant 30% increase in capacity.

Its not just the 30% increase in capacity, the additional hospitality and corporate can more than double match day revenue. White Hart Lane used to make Spurs around £45m per year, now its over £100m. I read a while ago that the average match day spend per Spurs supporter at WHL was around £5, now its closer to £30 as most fans eat and drink inside the new stadium before and after the game.

 

[pejic]

Ok, maybe a stupid question, but how are fans going to get into the stadium area?
Only accessible from one direction, and that is mainly blocked off by the dock wall with very narrow access points.
Looks like a huge bottleneck to me, but I am obviously missing something

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Ok, maybe a stupid question, but how are fans going to get into the stadium area?
Only accessible from one direction, and that is mainly blocked off by the dock wall with very narrow access points.
Looks like a huge bottleneck to me, but I am obviously missing something

Was looking at that myself the other day and thinking the same.

 

[degsy]

The whole of Newcastle is a brownfield site.

Hence their favourite drink is Newcastle Brown

 

[maccavennie]

Ok, maybe a stupid question, but how are fans going to get into the stadium area?
Only accessible from one direction, and that is mainly blocked off by the dock wall with very narrow access points.
Looks like a huge bottleneck to me, but I am obviously missing something

There's about 4 entrances onto the fan plaza that will be open on matchdays on the dock wall

 

[tommye]

There's about 4 entrances onto the fan plaza that will be open on matchdays on the dock wall

Only 4?
Boooo. Needs 6 at least.

 

[maccavennie]

Only 4?
Boooo. Needs 6 at least.

I was thinking 777

KNOCK IT BLOODY DOWN AND START IT AGAIN!!!

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Only 4?
Boooo. Needs 6 at least.

I'm just going to take a ladder and scale the wall to get in.

 

[maccavennie]

I'm just going to take a ladder and scale the wall to get in.

I'm doing the traditional pole vault for weekend games and catapult for midweek games.