kent_blue
Player Valuation: £225k
52k will have maybe 60k chasing tickets, supply and demand makes that the optimum from a sales point as 60k with maybe 60k some weeks does not
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goldfinchmule
Player Valuation: £2.5m
53 mate.
It’s all very interesting if only rumours at this point. TFG keep everything under wraps until they are ready to announce it so everything needs to be taken with pinch of salt. I do think they will look to maximise the clubs Brand and revenue, as it only benefits them anyway. Along side the club, they have hotel chain and property portfolio so it would seem logical they will look to get land around there potentially cheaper with peel eager for growth in that area. Just have to wait and see if these plans are genuine, in what shape and form it takes. My personal opinion is Nelson dock and any other unused dock will go in the future, if the right plans and offer come in. That’s just my opinion, but if that was to happen say Nelsons dock, I would rather Everton’s owners have control over it.
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £30m
You seem to have overlooked Everton have almost always sold out in the last couple of decades also overlooked the thousands on the waiting lists. You have also disregarded some very obvious issues with GP. It's old, and dated. That it has a small capacity and that there are posts in the way almost everywhere.
That leap from 39k to 52/53k isn't a big leap. There will be demand - history of clubs that have moved shows there's a new stadium bounce. There's also the fact that it's a waterfront how many clubs have that in their locker?
If fans have not deserted us during the last 10-15 years with (especially more recently) some of the worst football ever and a dearth of even moderate success, why do you think "we will struggle to fill the new ground after 5-10 years"?
Surely we want to be successful so success should bring more fans. Ultimately. I know it's not a given but TFG can be a platform to moving the club out of this self imposed trophy drought.
I started watching Everton in 84 just before the mid-80's success and during it I know there's been some low attendances. And after it in the early 90's. But let's not be negative and fearful. After all if other clubs are targeting the sweet spot of 60,000 plus why should we be any different? I want us to be part of that particular party not excluded from it.
Somewhere someone has driven this small club mentality and along with it small is intimate. It's the small club mentality of the club of the last couple of decades. I want that driven out of the club.
Another point is people say we've never had an average gate of more than 55,000 (thereabouts). What does that have to do with anything? We've had crowds at Goodison in the 70's (70 thousand plus) my dad told me he was at the game with the highest attendance 78,299 in 1948. But attendances always fluctuated. I've been at Goodison when there was 50-odd thousand. Build it-they will come.
Ped on ToffeeTV losing his mind saying the Friedkins should build a 20,000 seat arena at Nelson Dock.
Good grief. Someone hide his microphone for a bit, please.
Good grief. Someone hide his microphone for a bit, please.
Since 2003 Man City took over their stadium with a capacity of 48 k.
Over the next 21 years it has been expanded to 53.6 k
In that time Man City have won
8 Premier lges
6 League cups
3 FA cups
1 Champions lge
1 World Club champions
Plus 4 Charity Shields.
Yet only now are City with all their wealth backed by that amazing success are they expanding the current 53.6 k to 60 k.
Yet 53 k from the get go is too small for a penniless club that's won the best best part of naff all for 30 years.
Think some folks need a rethink .
Over the next 21 years it has been expanded to 53.6 k
In that time Man City have won
8 Premier lges
6 League cups
3 FA cups
1 Champions lge
1 World Club champions
Plus 4 Charity Shields.
Yet only now are City with all their wealth backed by that amazing success are they expanding the current 53.6 k to 60 k.
Yet 53 k from the get go is too small for a penniless club that's won the best best part of naff all for 30 years.
Think some folks need a rethink .
teppic
Player Valuation: £50m
This is exactly what Evertonians have been conditioned to think. Terrified to go above 40k. Everton are much bigger than City and always have been regarding fan base. When Everton have 53k next season, it's filled immediately with a waiting list.
this is my point mate if it’s filled with ease
and waiting list we could be bigger
but TFG will be looking into it?
Well no we arnt. Just the majority are realists.
You do know the stadium had to be scaled back height wise , hence the 53k capacity to satisfy planning don't you ?
I’d much rather someone forced the microphone down his throat, permanently.
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £30m
Strange angle.
teppic
Player Valuation: £50m
Two conflicting points here. Are you a realist, or annoyed the stadium was scaled back?
so it should be bigger?
It’s about time we had some honest debate about capacity. Too many have been silent on this issue for too long.