Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

[The Fish]

You could invest 800 billion into these beaut's, and you will still see this for years to come.

They are 7-0 down to the RS at Analfield, and by some miracle they scramble a goal in the 97th minute.

Cue their replica shirt wearing mutants, celebrating like they have won the Premiership.

A truly massive club (in Newcastle).

Apologies Fish, but after the RS, Newcastle are the most despised club-fan base on here.

I've never fully understood that to be fair.

We're not half as deluded as we're made out to be, since Ashley's true nature was revealed we've "expected" midtable or, latterly, survival. Hardly ideas above our station.
We turn out in numbers home and away, and while that support is perhaps not unique, it's not [Poor language removed]. Especially as we've won nowt for over 60yrs
We're not glory supporters (what [Poor language removed] glory?)


Honestly? I think it's because we're in that bracket of clubs outside the elite but ahead of the majority of english league clubs, just like you lot are.

The way the deal is structured doesnt make sense for anyone involved.

No logic in doing the deal now and the % splits make no sense to me.

I could see Staveley taking 5% but how is it 10%+ 10% + 80% something is amiss here.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Staveley's share drop after the bid is finalised. She's a broker, not a financial powerhouse (although she may well be a billionaire after her case with Barclays is settled).

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Perhaps it is time here for a tale of the tape. Mike Ashley: pig-headed retail magnate. Saudi Arabia: blood-stained inherited dictatorship. Mike Ashley: zero hours contracts in his sports shops. Saudi Arabia: beheaded 37 men in a single day. Mike Ashley: showed disrespect to Rafael Benítez. Saudi Arabia: murdered and dismembered Jamal Khashoggi. Is this useful at all?

Barney Ronay of The Guardian is truly a missile!
The only bigger one in the whole of the media is Miguel Delaney of The Independent.
What makes laugh though is that they still attend the games. Hoover up the free food &
drink and hospitality laid on by the clubs they constanly criticise. They will still go and
attend the World Cup in Qatar and blame the match going fans of certain football clubs
for the all of the human rights issues in the Middle East. Hypocrites of the highest order.
For me they are on the same level as a cockroach.

 

[The Fish]

They want Benitez back hahahahahahahahahaha

just wait for it

I'd have him back on a shorter term deal. Knows the club, and most of the squad, already made proposals for improving the facilities and academy. Has plenty of contacts in the game and is, regardless of what your partisan mindset dictates, a very good coach.

Apologies for the bad language in previous post, didn't know it would be a problem, will avoid it in future.

 

[PM123]

Well Everton have a very favurable run in, and post Silva have shown top 4 form so the likelihood is we continue to close a narrow gap to the top 6.

Not sure how accurate that is, as of the 8 fixtures remaining (of the 9) showing on the BBC site, Everton play 5 teams above & 3 below, whereas Newcastle play 4 above & 4 below. So it's debatable how favourable a run-in that is, compared to Newcastle.

 

[catcherintherye]

I've never fully understood that to be fair.

We're not half as deluded as we're made out to be, since Ashley's true nature was revealed we've "expected" midtable or, latterly, survival. Hardly ideas above our station.
We turn out in numbers home and away, and while that support is perhaps not unique, it's not [Poor language removed]. Especially as we've won nowt for over 60yrs
We're not glory supporters (what [Poor language removed] glory?)


Honestly? I think it's because we're in that bracket of clubs outside the elite but ahead of the majority of english league clubs, just like you lot are.


Wouldn't be surprised to see Staveley's share drop after the bid is finalised. She's a broker, not a financial powerhouse (although she may well be a billionaire after her case with Barclays is settled).

I don't mind Newcastle, but I do think there's a fair bit of arrogance. Over the last 13 seasons you've finished above us once (and for most of those seasons it was pre-Moshiri). We've also seen your away attendance at Goodison drop to just taking the small allocation. That being said, in general you are well supported.

I think the issue with Staveley makes very little sense, if you view it from the axis they are going to plunge lots of money in. You just pay the broker their fee and move on. I don't believe they had a comparable share arrangement at City. If she's bought out by the end of the summer fine, but if that remains I'd be a bit more concerned.

It makes far more sense if Staveley was actually running the club and she;s saucing what money she can from different people. She has a tacit commitment from aspects of the Saudi fund to spend some money, but by no means the amount widely speculated. We will see though.

 

[PM123]

They can’t because the season is getting cancelled fränd. Have a great evening x

Don't forget to tell Catcher

 

[catcherintherye]

Not sure how accurate that is, as of the 8 fixtures remaining (of the 9) showing on the BBC site, Everton play 5 teams above & 3 below, whereas Newcastle play 4 above & 4 below. So it's debatable how favourable a run-in that is, compared to Newcastle.

Well the league is very tight. I tend to group the league into big 6 and not big 6 sides. That is based on an entire season, not part way through a season, and is the widely accepted best 6 teams in the league.

We have 2 of the big 6 to play, and one of them Tottenham are probably the weakest of the 6 currently. Against sides outside of last seasons top 6, we've been averaging over 2 points per game post Silva. So if we continued that trend, we'd be looking at say 15 points from those 7 games, and then whatever we could get from Liverpool/Spurs. Not only is it factually a favourable run, but when you extrapolate the information post Silva we'd be in with a very good chance of finishing in the top 6. By no means certain, but certainly a possibility.

As for Newcastle, you do agree that their underlying numbers are rather alarming?

 

[catcherintherye]

Don't forget to tell Catcher

Tell me what sorry?

 

[catcherintherye]

The way the deal is structured doesnt make sense for anyone involved.

No logic in doing the deal now and the % splits make no sense to me.

I could see Staveley taking 5% but how is it 10%+ 10% + 80% something is amiss here.

I agree with this. There's a lot of unusual things about it. Giving out value to 2 different parties. The time it's taken to do the idea (over years now). Haggling over 40 million quid and potentially putting Newcastle into the threat of relegation in the process etc.

This makes no sense if you are looking to copy City. It makes a lot of sense if you are looking to add something to a portfolio and have a tentative interest.

I mean is it typical for brokers to acquire 10% of a company they buy if you plan to radically overhaul, invest and improve the share price of said company?

 

[Kurt.]

Not sure how accurate that is, as of the 8 fixtures remaining (of the 9) showing on the BBC site, Everton play 5 teams above & 3 below, whereas Newcastle play 4 above & 4 below. So it's debatable how favourable a run-in that is, compared to Newcastle.

You’re not gonna win the league

NA NA NA NA NA !!!!

 

[catcherintherye]

Couldn't care less TBH; if he is, good luck to him, but according to Catcher, they could go down...

I think you need to either go back and read what I've put, or stop twisting what I've said.

The point I made really relates to the start of this season. The consortium have been negotiating for over a year over £40m quid it seems. Newcastle in August were an enormous risk for relegation, so why chance it?

The reality is, Benitez left a horrendous squad, despite spending the best part of £200m and really Steve Bruce has begun a rescue job and has reversed the downward trend under Benitez. It's a separate debate.

Lets not conflate though, that when I said Newcastle were a risk of relegation I meant in August, not specifically now. This was a view echoed by many Newcastle supporters.

 

[PM123]

Well the league is very tight. I tend to group the league into big 6 and not big 6 sides. That is based on an entire season, not part way through a season, and is the widely accepted best 6 teams in the league.

We have 2 of the big 6 to play, and one of them Tottenham are probably the weakest of the 6 currently. Against sides outside of last seasons top 6, we've been averaging over 2 points per game post Silva. So if we continued that trend, we'd be looking at say 15 points from those 7 games, and then whatever we could get from Liverpool/Spurs. Not only is it factually a favourable run, but when you extrapolate the information post Silva we'd be in with a very good chance of finishing in the top 6. By no means certain, but certainly a possibility.

As for Newcastle, you do agree that their underlying numbers are rather alarming?

Lol it is not factually a favourable run. Everton have played 7 "non-top 6) matches, post Silva; you can barely get a trend, not extrapolate from that.

That's an extremely narrow criteria you're using there; not teams above or below, but the "traditional big 6" or below, post Silva, which is a handful of games.

As for the underlying numbers of Newcastle, I assume you mean XG, etc? If so, as I'm old, I don't put much stock in that TBH.

 

[MikeH72]

I'd have him back on a shorter term deal. Knows the club, and most of the squad, already made proposals for improving the facilities and academy. Has plenty of contacts in the game and is, regardless of what your partisan mindset dictates, a very good coach.

Apologies for the bad language in previous post, didn't know it would be a problem, will avoid it in future.

Why would you get rid of a manager that’s doing a better job to bring him back?

 

[MikeH72]

Lol it is not factually a favourable run. Everton have played 7 "non-top 6) matches, post Silva; you can barely get a trend, not extrapolate from that.

That's an extremely narrow criteria you're using there; not teams above or below, but the "traditional big 6" or below, post Silva, which is a handful of games.

As for the underlying numbers of Newcastle, I assume you mean XG, etc? If so, as I'm old, I don't put much stock in that TBH.

I don’t think you’ll be lasting as long as @Keiran on here somehow.

 

[PM123]

I think you need to either go back and read what I've put, or stop twisting what I've said.

The point I made really relates to the start of this season. The consortium have been negotiating for over a year over £40m quid it seems. Newcastle in August were an enormous risk for relegation, so why chance it?

The reality is, Benitez left a horrendous squad, despite spending the best part of £200m and really Steve Bruce has begun a rescue job and has reversed the downward trend under Benitez. It's a separate debate.

Lets not conflate though, that when I said Newcastle were a risk of relegation I meant in August, not specifically now. This was a view echoed by many Newcastle supporters.

You can't really say a team is likely to be relegated in August lol. Newcastle are 2 points behind Everton as things stand, so that makes you pretty much wrong by my definition of wrong.