Next Everton Manager

[billyblue80]

Very worried whoever comes in half the team doesn't look good enough.

 

[davek]

Am hoping your right, do you think we should make an appointment now or after watford game?

It's a difficult one. I want Unsworth to get it if he gets a result against Watford. It might steady nerves and give a team desperate for confidence something to hold onto. I think we will get that win against Watford too.

However, there is then an international break and I dont think it'll stop a massive introspection within the fanbase and I believe the board will bring in a new manager then.

It's sad. But a point yesterday and a win next week would have calmed everyone and allowed the board to announce DU as season long manager. I dont think that's going to be allowed to happen now.

 

[davek]

But we've already come too far down that road. We are now a dog of a team with hardly any technically accomplished footballers in sight, it's impossible to ask this squad to play anything like decent football. Points on the board should be our one and only concern at this moment in time.

We have a lot of talented players, but we have a defensive backline who are bereft of technique. The rot starts from the back for us.

That needs looking at straight away and we need to be really creative in solving it.

Maybe we have a Mascherano type in the squad who can drop back there and do a different but more effective job in stopping attacks and getting us moving? Someone like a fit Besic might have been that player. He played CB at Ferencvaros. Anyway, similar type to him.

 

[COYBL25]

It's a crisis but we cant afford to panic either.

In our urgency to see some distance between us and the bottom three places let's not lumber ourselves with a dog of a manager who will take us backwards in the long term.

No hoof ball managers should be considered. We have spent the last 4/5 seasons trying to wean ourselves away from that primitivism. It takes real cool leadership now to find a way out of this mess by getting a man in who can instil the fight and organisation we need but who also can build us as a team using the right footballing principles.

Tuchel would be ideal, IMO. I also think someone like Mancini takes no prisoners and would get us going as a football team again.

Whoever comes in is going to have to the ability to polish turds Dave.

The team is just broken in so many places, it's very hard to see any manager being able to do anything with this lot until the transfer window and we can hopefully buy a whole new defence and a striker.

This then leads us onto what sort of player are we going to be able to attract to a club that's imploding.

Mercenaries.

Walsh and the board don't exactly fill me with confidence that they can bring in the right players.

How did it come to this ?????

 

[Stutheblue]

It's a difficult one. I want Unsworth to get it if he gets a result against Watford. It might steady nerves and give a team desperate for confidence something to hold onto. I think we will get that win against Watford too.

However, there is then an international break and I dont think it'll stop a massive introspection within the fanbase and I believe the board will bring in a new manager then.

It's sad. But a point yesterday and a win next week would have calmed everyone and allowed the board to announce DU as season long manager. I dont think that's going to be allowed to happen now.

It is sad mate. But we didn't get the point or even remotely looked like we would. And no guarantees we'll beat Watford either. At the moment I'm not seeing anything to suggsst we will. I'm hoping rather than expecting we can beat them. I think Unsworth will be in charge against Watford. After that, who knows. We've got to get this right. Its looking serious.

 

[bluestevon]

It's a crisis but we cant afford to panic either.

In our urgency to see some distance between us and the bottom three places let's not lumber ourselves with a dog of a manager who will take us backwards in the long term.

No hoof ball managers should be considered. We have spent the last 4/5 seasons trying to wean ourselves away from that primitivism. It takes real cool leadership now to find a way out of this mess by getting a man in who can instil the fight and organisation we need but who also can build us as a team using the right footballing principles.

Tuchel would be ideal, IMO. I also think someone like Mancini takes no prisoners and would get us going as a football team again.

People saying why would Tuchel touch this mess etc and it could ruin his reputation.

My counter to that would be this Dave, we are looking so terrible that any manager worth his salt would see this as a opportunity - absolutely rock bottom fan-base who are even talking about yard dogs like Allardyce and Moyes, imagine the credit a manager coming in and turning this around then gets, looks pretty damned good on a CV like wouldn't it?

As for the fire-fighter idea of a manager - it works for those managers because they are usually taking on a bunch of groks and re-treads, this squad on the other hand has a LOT of players with pretty big reputations - and thats an entirely different group to motivate to punt it long and grind results out, simply put, we'd need to buy 6-7 agricultural players and bin off all the more skilful ones to fit that managers methods of keeping a team up. Grim times if we do go that route as the club will be set back 5-6 years because of panicking after ten games

 

[neil999]

Whoever comes in is going to have to the ability to polish turds Dave.

The team is just broken in so many places, it's very hard to see any manager being able to do anything with this lot until the transfer window and we can hopefully buy a whole new defence and a striker.

This then leads us onto what sort of player are we going to be able to attract to a club that's imploding.

Mercenaries.

Walsh and the board don't exactly fill me with confidence that they can bring in the right players.

How did it come to this ?????

no problem, kieran richardson and bacary sagna on free transfers to sort out the full backs and sebastian bassong as centre back

not found a striker yet

 

[davek]

Whoever comes in is going to have to the ability to polish turds Dave.

The team is just broken in so many places, it's very hard to see any manager being able to do anything with this lot until the transfer window and we can hopefully buy a whole new defence and a striker.

This then leads us onto what sort of player are we going to be able to attract to a club that's imploding.

Mercenaries.

Walsh and the board don't exactly fill me with confidence that they can bring in the right players.

How did it come to this ?????

I'm looking at that and nodding in agreement at every word - then I'm looking at the money we spent this summer and wondering how the two go together.

How did it come to this indeed.

On the substantive question of the next manager though: we might have to accept more pain before we see anything get better. That goes for even a firefighter like Alardyce as much as a more progressive replacement.

I fear that if we go for a Dyce or Alardyce it's merely a blind panic move and their appointment will rock the foundations of the club long term and all organisational confidence about our identity and self worth will be in tatters.

It's a terrible dilemma. However, I'd swerve the quick fixes. that would be my instinct. Even now in this full blown crisis.

 

[bluestevon]

We have a lot of talented players, but we have a defensive backline who are bereft of technique. The rot starts from the back for us.

That needs looking at straight away and we need to be really creative in solving it.

Maybe we have a Mascherano type in the squad who can drop back there and do a different but more effective job in stopping attacks and getting us moving? Someone like a fit Besic might have been that player. He played CB at Ferencvaros. Anyway, similar type to him.

Schneiderlin could in theory do that type of role - but more than likely only in a back 3 I'd guess, said during the summer we missed the boat not going for Dendocker from Anderlecht who is exactly that sort of 'eric dier' type

 

[bluestevon]

We have a lot of talented players, but we have a defensive backline who are bereft of technique. The rot starts from the back for us.

That needs looking at straight away and we need to be really creative in solving it.

Maybe we have a Mascherano type in the squad who can drop back there and do a different but more effective job in stopping attacks and getting us moving? Someone like a fit Besic might have been that player. He played CB at Ferencvaros. Anyway, similar type to him.

Schneiderlin could in theory do that type of role - but more than likely only in a back 3 I'd guess, said during the summer we missed the boat not going for Dendocker from Anderlecht who is exactly that sort of 'eric dier' type

 

[davek]

It is sad mate. But we didn't get the point or even remotely looked like we would. And no guarantees we'll beat Watford either. At the moment I'm not seeing anything to suggsst we will. I'm hoping rather than expecting we can beat them. I think Unsworth will be in charge against Watford. After that, who knows. We've got to get this right. Its looking serious.

My heart sank yesterday. I think I realised Unsworth isn't that right move.

 

[orly]

My heart sank yesterday. I think I realised Unsworth isn't that right move.

 

[bluestevon]

I'm looking at that and nodding in agreement at every word - then I'm looking at the money we spent this summer and wondering how the two go together.

How did it come to this indeed.

On the substantive question of the next manager though: we might have to accept more pain before we see anything get better. That goes for even a firefighter like Alardyce as much as a more progressive replacement.

I fear that if we go for a Dyce or Alardyce it's merely a blind panic move and their appointment will rock the foundations of the club long term and all organisational confidence about our identity and self worth will be in tatters.

It's a terrible dilemma. However, I'd swerve the quick fixes. that would be my instinct. Even now in this full blown crisis.

Pointed out in another thread, 5 of the 6 clubs Allardyce has managed have been relegated within 2 years of him leaving (including Palace as one of those though) 4 of them the season after he left.

Quick fix which breaks soon as he leaves due to the squad being so drilled in his methods it becomes incapable of re-adjusting once he leaves.

 

[davek]

People saying why would Tuchel touch this mess etc and it could ruin his reputation.

My counter to that would be this Dave, we are looking so terrible that any manager worth his salt would see this as a opportunity - absolutely rock bottom fan-base who are even talking about yard dogs like Allardyce and Moyes, imagine the credit a manager coming in and turning this around then gets, looks pretty damned good on a CV like wouldn't it?

As for the fire-fighter idea of a manager - it works for those managers because they are usually taking on a bunch of groks and re-treads, this squad on the other hand has a LOT of players with pretty big reputations - and thats an entirely different group to motivate to punt it long and grind results out, simply put, we'd need to buy 6-7 agricultural players and bin off all the more skilful ones to fit that managers methods of keeping a team up. Grim times if we do go that route as the club will be set back 5-6 years because of panicking after ten games

I completely agree mate.

I dont see a quick fix anyway because the tools aren't here for that job.

My main opposition to a manager like Alardyce and Dyche is that we'll lose our way for years to come. The blow to the prestige of the club will be immense.

Only another high profile appointment (one with experience of winning and ferociously competitive football as well as attractive football) is acceptable.

 

[davek]

Ha Ha Ha.