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"Out of the city" arguments.

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Key points here which I have said several times.

Wyness: "Knowsley is one of the fastest-growing areas in Liverpool and it was created from what was a major overspill development for Liverpool people, mainly from the Scotland Road area. It is an arbitrary boundary and I am sure that when our fans look at what is on offer, they will realise the benefits of this proposal. Within a few years, we will see the creation of the Liverpool city region that will embrace the new ground. We are taking a decision for the future of the club.
So say we don't move and in 5 or so years Kirkby and Halewood are officially included as Liverpool. Will you all bemoan the Kirkby chance as we do the Kings Dock?

The rest of what Wyness said;

He said: "Kirkby is the front-runner, it is a firm offer and it is deliverable. The problem with the options put forward by Liverpool is that they are light on detail and there are no firm offers on the table. As a club, we are at a crucial time and we have to make a decision as soon as possible.
"Knowsley is one of the fastest-growing areas in Liverpool and it was created from what was a major overspill development for Liverpool people, mainly from the Scotland Road area. It is an arbitrary boundary and I am sure that when our fans look at what is on offer, they will realise the benefits of this proposal. Within a few years, we will see the creation of the Liverpool city region that will embrace the new ground. We are taking a decision for the future of the club.
"I am disappointed that Warren has described our plan as a cow shed. It will be a high-quality premiership stadium with a very traditional feel to it and to use that description is a little below the belt.
"If we end up staying in Goodison Park, we will be left behind because top-level football is racing forward. There will be problems for the club if we stay where we are.
"The club spent a year working with Liverpool City Council and their consultants before we even started talking to Knowsley. There are tests we have to apply to any new site. It has to provide around 500,000 sq ft of retail and commercial space."
He added: "The project is going to cost around £150m, but Everton will only be faced with a debt of between £10m and £15m, which is relatively nothing these days when the result is a brand new stadium. Tesco are putting in £50m towards the cost of the stadium, but they have negotiated a deal with their own contractors. This means we will be getting a stadium building that would otherwise have cost £75m. There is then the cost of fitting out the new stadium. The sale of Goodison Park will realise up to £15m and naming rights will earn us up to £25m. That will leave the club to fund the balance of the fitting out costs and we think that could be as low as £10m.
'THE problem in Liverpool is that, because of the vast regeneration of the city, costs have risen and in a way the city is a victim of its own success.
"Even so, there are no firm options for us in Liverpool. Even the council's own consultants ruled out the Long Lane option because of traffic issues. There are far too many 'what if's' with the Liverpool options. It is also highly possible that Grosvenor will have a view on any major retail development close to the city centre and their own redevelopment site.
"My belief is that when Everton fans study all of the facts, they will support our move to the Kirkby site. Some may well vote yes grudgingly, but they will still support it. They will realise we have to look at the future of the club.
"The Kirkby project arose because we as a club had talked to the council about various matters and, during those talks, a conversation emerged about the need of Kirkby town centre to grow and improve, Sir Terry Leahy (Tesco chief executive and an Everton supporter) became involved and the talk was of a three-way partnership. Knowsley has a can-do attitude and that helped a lot. Sir Terry and the Tesco board see this as a hard-nosed business decision. It is nothing to do with Sir Terry's involvement with Everton."
 
And this is why anybody who knows the FACTS of the situation is voting yes for a move.

Great post Danny! :D
 
Like i've said elsewhere that i don't live in Merseyside so the location has never been an issue i was just worried about how much Tesco would be getting involved and at the possible thought of handing the city of to Liverpool. In the past few days Everton have more then convinced me that moving to kirkby at this moment in time is an option we can't miss out on and will do the club a world of good in the future.
 
From the plans I've seen I was always under the impression that tesco would be quite a bit of a distance from the ground (as in, down the road). When you come of the motorway the first thing you'll see is the ground, make a turn past the stadium then you would get to tesco.

But NSNO in their gallery say tesco will be underneath the stadium??? So I could be wrong.
 
I believe thats the club shop that will be under the stadium.

Have you seen Warrington Wolves Rugby League stadium? Thats what i fear ours could be like.
 

Just found some pictures i took a couple of months ago of the Halliwell Jones Stadium.

One side of the car park

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The other side of the car park

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Everton aren't that soft, i cant see the Tesco being underneath or right near the ground like the rugby ground in this thread.

Can't believe that the leader of Liverpool city council stooped so low as to name calling, pretty much shows what we would be dealing with, sounds to me like LCC never actually believed Everton would go ahead with the move, if Wyness is right and LCC basically offered us nothing in a year then we are right to swerve them and definately should push ahead with the move, i admit i was a bit unsure about moving but the way LCC have conducted themselves recently has made the decision into a clear yes.

Seems they bent over backwards to help out Liverpool while constantly fobbing us off in the belief they could deal with us when they wanted and that we could take what we were offered, good on Everton for sorting something out elsewhere and if all this is true Wyness is saying then we really are getting a great deal out of this and what looks like a fantastic stadium.
 
Everton aren't that soft, i cant see the Tesco being underneath or right near the ground like the rugby ground in this thread.

Can't believe that the leader of Liverpool city council stooped so low as to name calling, pretty much shows what we would be dealing with, sounds to me like LCC never actually believed Everton would go ahead with the move, if Wyness is right and LCC basically offered us nothing in a year then we are right to swerve them and definately should push ahead with the move, i admit i was a bit unsure about moving but the way LCC have conducted themselves recently has made the decision into a clear yes.

Seems they bent over backwards to help out Liverpool while constantly fobbing us off in the belief they could deal with us when they wanted and that we could take what we were offered, good on Everton for sorting something out elsewhere and if all this is true Wyness is saying then we really are getting a great deal out of this and what looks like a fantastic stadium.

Another great post mate, agree 100%. That bit in particular pissed me right off.
 
I, too, am concerned about the Tesco connection, but then I'm concerned about Tesco's negative impact in a lot of different social and environmental areas (but that really is another story), I just don't see what other option we have - We need a new stadium; miss the boat on this, and we could be left behind for years to come.

As for the position of the supermarket, I doubt Tesco would want it that close - 50,000 football fans milling around outside might put shoppers off, not to mention nick all the parking places.
 

I'd rather be concerned with the Tesco connection than be concerned with a debt of close on 100m ;)

And as for the location, it's a good deal away. Most fans would go the match without seeing Tesco. As soon as you come of the motorway you see the stadium., You';d have to drive past the stadium to were currently All Saints school is to get to Tesco.
 
So it wouldn't be anything like the pictures above? Though its quite handy for match days to grab food and drink lol.
 

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