POTUS 2016

Push the button, pull the lever, who's it going to be?

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mezzrow said:
I believe in natural law, enumerated powers, the establishment clause, separation of powers, and free enterprise. We've been losing our contact with all of these progressively for the past hundred years, approximately since the administration of Woodrow Wilson, America's most racist President.

The alternatives are flawed vessels for hope, but all are less flawed than Trump. The main point is that I see Trump as a classically toxic narcissist, a quality he shares with our current President. The fact that the nation turns to Trump after eight years of Barack Obama chips away a faith I have always carried in the overall wisdom of the American public. I feel that an electorate that is capable of electing Obama twice is capable of just about any damned thing. We hunger to share the rush of the power of the man on the horse who will lead us to glory.

Hope. Change. Make America Great Again.

I am genuinely worried about the future of my Republic, in short. Interesting times, indeed.
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cheers mate

I think just about everybody, everywhere, is worried about the US

respectfully, from an outsider, it's difficult to see why narcissism or belligerence is an issue for Trump, when it seems like a virtual requirement for prominent US conservatives these days - O'Reilly, Hannity, Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rubio, Cruz, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Anne Coulter, Oops Perry, Herman Cain, Christie. I think most non-Americans would find it difficult to understand how one could fail to see the contrast with them, and Obama.

is it mostly a matter of personality then when it comes to Trump, rather than policy?

it seems to me like "conservatism," in the sense of Burke, or, more recently, someone like Andrew Bacevich, or http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ has very little to do with the Republican party.

there was an interesting piece the other day (from a conservative) on how Trump could help in the long run
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_s_how_republicans_can_bring_it_back_to.html

you could argue though that it basically amounts to "the Democratic Party, only with flags and guns" but it's difficult to argue that the Republican interpretation of "Free Market" economics hasn't, since Reagan, devastated the working poor, and now even some middle class professions.

hence Trump - they are making themselves heard, counter-productively, of course, but it's the only way they know how. the rest of the party has no interest in doing anything concrete to help them, other than patting them on the head with symbolic signals like worshiping the police and encouraging them to blame everything on immigrants
 
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mezzrow said:
I believe in natural law, enumerated powers, the establishment clause, separation of powers, and free enterprise. We've been losing our contact with all of these progressively for the past hundred years, approximately since the administration of Woodrow Wilson, America's most racist President.

The alternatives are flawed vessels for hope, but all are less flawed than Trump. The main point is that I see Trump as a classically toxic narcissist, a quality he shares with our current President. The fact that the nation turns to Trump after eight years of Barack Obama chips away a faith I have always carried in the overall wisdom of the American public. I feel that an electorate that is capable of electing Obama twice is capable of just about any damned thing. We hunger to share the rush of the power of the man on the horse who will lead us to glory.

Hope. Change. Make America Great Again.

I am genuinely worried about the future of my Republic, in short. Interesting times, indeed.
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I see your point, but none of the rest of them would have offered anything different.

TBH though it is somewhat incredible to think that, after 8 years of Obama and knowing that Hilary was the next likely Democratic nominee, that the GOP has managed to get into the state that it is in. You would think that if Trump does win, they can at least spend the next three years purging everyone responsible.
 
Trump is what happens when a political party absolutely refuses to speak ill of another member of said party. The GOP could have been shut of all these scammers, racists, and nutcases years ago but they chose to let them hang around and now they've taken over the party.
 

mmmmsnouts said:
Trump is what happens when a political party absolutely refuses to speak ill of another member of said party. The GOP could have been shut of all these scammers, racists, and nutcases years ago but they chose to let them hang around and now they've taken over the party.
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exactly... it's hard to see sometimes why Trump offends Republicans so much, because he appears to have so much in common with core Party practices, if not values, since Nixon at least
 
abelard said:
exactly... it's hard to see sometimes why Trump offends Republicans so much, because he appears to have so much in common with core Party practices, if not values, since Nixon at least
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Because he says out loud what many of them think and he's blowing their cover. They want to be quietly hostile to women and minorities instead of openly hostile.
 
abelard said:
exactly... it's hard to see sometimes why Trump offends Republicans so much, because he appears to have so much in common with core Party practices, if not values, since Nixon at least
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That is precisely why he offends them.

Rove, the Kochs, various people on Fox (Krauthammer especially), Glenn Beck and loads of other balloons spent years and years promoting the idea that any successful GOP candidate had to be tough on immigration, overwhelmingly pro-business, anti-Muslim, American exceptionalist, anti-Washington and isn't afraid to say what he* thinks.

* that is to say, what they tell him to think.
 

If it looks like Trump might actually get elected, a GOT relocation support/job posting board might be helpful in a few months' time for those of us who have no interest in seeing how America's first dictatorship turns out.
 
I'll seriously consider moving back to the UK if Trump gets in. I may even leave my wife if she won't come with.

As bad as the Tories are (and they are very bad), it should speak volumes that I'd prefer to put up with their crap than Trump.
 

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