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tommye
Player Valuation: £100m
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Yes, and they'll get it too. And that's my point about Moshiri's loan: it's not altruism. And all those clubs will pay that off in a heartbeat from their commercial revenue, we'll sell players to do it if this mush decides at any stage he wants to get off if, for example, the stadium plan fails to come off...which it will.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I'm certain I;m right. If you want to plough massive amounts of cash in no one can stop you. No one. It means you get a slap on the wrists from UEFA and that's it.
How am i wrong?
Over to you.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
I'm not critical of Moshiri, he is hamstrung by 25 years of neglect.
There can't be anymore than a small percentage of fans who believed, or still believe, that he is going to finance us on the scale of Chelsea/Man City.
So in that sense, he can't be criticised for not giving what he hasn't got, and in PL terms, his wealth is only very modest.
I'd like to see Spurs' net spend over the last 5 seasons, my hunch is that is isn't particularly high relative to their peers.
Both they and the RS under Klopp have succeeded in getting the highest possible income in sales, and that will be a big difficulty for us.
If organic growth is the best Moshiri can offer, I'll take it, certainly.
Delivering on the stadium would probably be the single biggest thing he could do for us, and perhaps only when that is in place, can we think bigger, and dream of further investment/investors, coming to fruition.
Currently it is very depressing that's all, and the standard of football being served up only serves to deepen that.
There can't be anymore than a small percentage of fans who believed, or still believe, that he is going to finance us on the scale of Chelsea/Man City.
So in that sense, he can't be criticised for not giving what he hasn't got, and in PL terms, his wealth is only very modest.
I'd like to see Spurs' net spend over the last 5 seasons, my hunch is that is isn't particularly high relative to their peers.
Both they and the RS under Klopp have succeeded in getting the highest possible income in sales, and that will be a big difficulty for us.
If organic growth is the best Moshiri can offer, I'll take it, certainly.
Delivering on the stadium would probably be the single biggest thing he could do for us, and perhaps only when that is in place, can we think bigger, and dream of further investment/investors, coming to fruition.
Currently it is very depressing that's all, and the standard of football being served up only serves to deepen that.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Hasn't got a clue where he is and always a yard behind everyone else.
tommye
Player Valuation: £100m
Oh dave. Are you really so naive?
He has at his fingertips a gateway into a muliti-billion pound expansion of a major city centre. It's almost a licence to print money and you reckon he's gonna just bail at a whim?
Not even you are that daft.
bignev23
Player Valuation: £35m
Haven't the the top four or five places in the Prem pretty much always been fought over by the same five or six clubs bar a few changes over the years with the likes of Leeds fall from grace and Man City's rise from the ashes of league one, with there mainly being only two teams capable of winning it. When Ferguson was manager of UTD I used to put a decent lump on them to win it regularly and they only really used to have one other team challenging them each season be it Liverpool then Blackburn for a miniscule period, Arsenal then Chelsea hit the big time and became their rivals then finally City became the challengers to their throne. Now we have City and Chelsea as the big boys with Liverpool as the pretenders and Arsenal Spurs and Utd following on their coat tales. It's always been fairly predictable top five or six, I think and unfortunately it still is and we're not one of them this season.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Exactly. There is no impediment to real investment on the squad.
Premier League clubs have voted to continue their Short Term Cost Control (STCC) rules; updated rules will come into effect from next season (2016/17) and will apply for three-year duration of the next TV deal. The STCC rules first came in three years ago and are designed to help ensure sustainability of the top-flight clubs by ensuring that clubs don't spend the TV deal on hugely increased wages.
Clubs will be able to increase their wage spend by £7m each season from 2016/17 to 2018/19 (an increase from the £4m a season during the current TV deal). Clubs can exceed this £7m cap if they generate increased revenue from commercial income, player trading and Match Day income. The Premier League rules are explained here - however they are a little complicated and this diagram should help explain how the rules will work for next season:
It is interesting to note that the rules allow a newly promoted club to immediately increase wages to £67m if they wish. So we could, in theory, see a club like Brighton increase their wages from somewhere around £18m (excluding promotion bonuses) to £67m over the summer. Currently, the Championship clubs not in receipt of Parachute Payments only get around £5m in TV revenue - the new TV deal in the Premier League will be worth around £100m from next season. Promoted Clubs could therefore immediately increase wages to £67m and still have plenty of cash to spare in their first season. What could possibly go wrong?
Interestingly, we have seen a recent trend for newly promoted clubs doing rather well in the Premier League and the rules certainly help newly promoted clubs to compete. Watford brought in 16 new signings during last summer and we could see the newly promoted clubs act in a similar manner. Although it can be a challenge to get newly acquired players to gel quickly, the newly promoted clubs generally operate from a low salary base and can work off a clean slate and can make maximum use of their wage allowances. Established Premier League clubs often don't have this flexibility and are often hampered by a glut of long-standing players on high wages, with many often out of favour and purchased by a previous manager (as Sunderland, Aston Villa and Newcastle can testify). These established PL clubs can't always get as much bang for their buck as the promoted clubs (who will also usually have a more long-standing and more recently successful manager).
The rules that allow clubs to refer back to 2013/14 will, however, give some extra flexibility to the clubs that have been in the Premier League since that season. The following table shows how the longer-standing clubs are affected by the rules and how most of these clubs are therefore allowed a higher wage increase if they wish. The clubs that are showing in red actually should have no significant issues - clubs have been able to write large commercial deals since 2012/13 on the back of the relentlessly increasing appeal of the Premier League (eg Chelsea's Yokohama tyres deal); the rules don't materially hamper the longer-standing, larger Premier League Teams. It is also important to appreciate that the current Premier League Profit and Sustainability rules are still in place - these rules sit alongside the Short Term Cost Control rules and ensure clubs don't lose more than £105m over three rolling seasons.
It is interesting to note how Man City have benefited from their rather calculated decision to classify Mancini's pay-off as 'wages' - this inflated the club wages and, assuming it isn't contested by the PL, would allow more scope for wage increases (if required). Of course, City have increased Commercial Income since 2013/14 (largely from state-influenced Abu Dhabi companies) so have additional capacity for wage increases in any event.
Also for a club that wishes to play in Europe, ignoring the FFP rules would be a foolish thing to do, wouldnt you say?
Go and ask Malaga why clubs should adhere to FFP.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
You're Besic: moody and sitting on your arse at Goodison on a matchday.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Ha Ha ha ha.Premier League clubs have voted to continue their Short Term Cost Control (STCC) rules; updated rules will come into effect from next season (2016/17) and will apply for three-year duration of the next TV deal. The STCC rules first came in three years ago and are designed to help ensure sustainability of the top-flight clubs by ensuring that clubs don't spend the TV deal on hugely increased wages.
Clubs will be able to increase their wage spend by £7m each season from 2016/17 to 2018/19 (an increase from the £4m a season during the current TV deal). Clubs can exceed this £7m cap if they generate increased revenue from commercial income, player trading and Match Day income. The Premier League rules are explained here - however they are a little complicated and this diagram should help explain how the rules will work for next season:
It is interesting to note that the rules allow a newly promoted club to immediately increase wages to £67m if they wish. So we could, in theory, see a club like Brighton increase their wages from somewhere around £18m (excluding promotion bonuses) to £67m over the summer. Currently, the Championship clubs not in receipt of Parachute Payments only get around £5m in TV revenue - the new TV deal in the Premier League will be worth around £100m from next season. Promoted Clubs could therefore immediately increase wages to £67m and still have plenty of cash to spare in their first season. What could possibly go wrong?
Interestingly, we have seen a recent trend for newly promoted clubs doing rather well in the Premier League and the rules certainly help newly promoted clubs to compete. Watford brought in 16 new signings during last summer and we could see the newly promoted clubs act in a similar manner. Although it can be a challenge to get newly acquired players to gel quickly, the newly promoted clubs generally operate from a low salary base and can work off a clean slate and can make maximum use of their wage allowances. Established Premier League clubs often don't have this flexibility and are often hampered by a glut of long-standing players on high wages, with many often out of favour and purchased by a previous manager (as Sunderland, Aston Villa and Newcastle can testify). These established PL clubs can't always get as much bang for their buck as the promoted clubs (who will also usually have a more long-standing and more recently successful manager).
The rules that allow clubs to refer back to 2013/14 will, however, give some extra flexibility to the clubs that have been in the Premier League since that season. The following table shows how the longer-standing clubs are affected by the rules and how most of these clubs are therefore allowed a higher wage increase if they wish. The clubs that are showing in red actually should have no significant issues - clubs have been able to write large commercial deals since 2012/13 on the back of the relentlessly increasing appeal of the Premier League (eg Chelsea's Yokohama tyres deal); the rules don't materially hamper the longer-standing, larger Premier League Teams. It is also important to appreciate that the current Premier League Profit and Sustainability rules are still in place - these rules sit alongside the Short Term Cost Control rules and ensure clubs don't lose more than £105m over three rolling seasons.
It is interesting to note how Man City have benefited from their rather calculated decision to classify Mancini's pay-off as 'wages' - this inflated the club wages and, assuming it isn't contested by the PL, would allow more scope for wage increases (if required). Of course, City have increased Commercial Income since 2013/14 (largely from state-influenced Abu Dhabi companies) so have additional capacity for wage increases in any event.
Also for a club that wishes to play in Europe, ignoring the FFP rules would be a foolish thing to do, wouldnt you say?
Go and ask Malaga why clubs should adhere to FFP.
Flow charts.
Dont make me pull a pie chart out.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He is a Division Two PL owner.
To put it in terms you can understand, the sale of Stones allowed us to increase our wage budget by 47m in the summer and winter window, we didnt take advantage in the summer, if we dont in this window, then I will join you and the clown in the protests.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Seeing is believing. What do you see Tommy? I see a load of nonsense tweets and pie in the sky.
Honest to God, you've seen stadium plan after stadium plan 'get the green light' and then crash and burn. You really think this time will be any different? I've go some land in Alaska I'm selling if you fancy it.
Lol.
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