2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Tubey]

Dont you find it a stretch to include Gray as a right winger when hes been playing the same position as Richarlison or Sigurdsson in the line up you posted?

The 2nd picture, you have Gbamin crossed out when the manager felt he was fit enough to start a match without giving him ANY easing in period.

Onyango is supposedly the closest player in the squad to Doucoure...i cant see him in your pictures.

Because he's not a member of the first team squad and I took the screenshot directly from the Everton squad on the official website.

Also, Onyango himself is recovering from an ankle fracture earlier this year and isn't actually fully fit.

Everton plan for Tyler Onyango confirmed after first-team training rush

Everton under-23s had only one day to prepare for their trip to Chelsea due to first-team training arrangements

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Plus he's 18 and hasn't played yet ffs

As for Gbamin? He played because we gambled on him being ready - his performance shows he's utterly miles off and probably needs to be shipped back to France on a nominal fee; the guy is broken, clearly.

There's no rational excusing of our injuries and the options we currently have, no matter how desperately you want it to be. It is what it is.

 

[whiteshadow]

The 1 win in 9 is a factually correct statistic, whether people like it or not. 2 wins out of 10 is factually correct too, so people are more than entitled to use it if they want. Neither is a statistic I like or that has any ounce of respectability though.

Why is Benitez being held to different standards by certain posters than all our previous managers under Moshiri? Why are expectations being allowed to fall to rock bottom?

Any wonder the club is in a mess when 2 points in 18 isn't seen as something to worry about.

You're only using the 1 win in 9 when it suits you.

Trying to imply we should win the derby when we've won 1 in the last 24.

How is that showing fairness and a balanced viewpoint?

I have no issue stating the 1 win in 9, if it's put in to context, which none of you are doing.

Ignoring the lack of money, the injuries, lack of quality in the squad and time he's had.

 

[luuk_deventer]

Btw I’m not saying the recruitment faults are on him, because bar Rondon I don’t think they are at all. It’s years of mismanagement that is clearly not on Benitez. But right now he has the final say over any signing the club make - Brands is basically a glorified scout in that regard, if that (And needs binning off)

True enough, but he's also bound by the constraints of FFP.

If you can't have a porterhouse steak, a hamburger will have to do. Or, knowing the extremely short tenure of an Everton manager, do you plan for the long term and think: "i'll struggle without the hamburger and wait for the right juicy steak".

This is another problem, most managers have to think short term fixes because they won't be around to see their long term plans bear fruit if they aren't careful.

 

[JLW]

Mention 1 win in 9 (including cup games lol)

Implies we should win the derby as we won the last one with injuries.

Completely ignores the fact we've won 1 in the last 24 derbies.

You haters are so 'fair'.

He's had 1.7m to spend, had tons of injuries and started with a crap squad.

You're normally a reasoned, sane poster but you're just become a part of the witchhunt.

The issue is this fella is getting more excuses made for his results than any other manager in recent memory.
His performance as manager shouldn't only be judged on having a fully fit squad, a good manager gets results one way or another depending on who he has available, at the minute he's failing that so the criticism is justified.

 

[kenada_blue]

Id be amazed if no one thought...

WOW hes starting a player whose been out for 2 seasons without any real sub mins.

Ha. You think most people get that technical?

 

[Aberblue]

If Allan is injured as well we honestly may as well just fold the club. Davies and Delph against two high pressing teams next. We all know how this ends.

A key requirement of any football team is to put out 11 players. Everton are struggling to keep any player fit at any level of the club. Even our youth players got absolutely decimated last season with long term injuries. Even our players on loan get crocked, and now the first team players are just dropping like flies every single match.

Something is badly badly wrong at the club.

Davies is injured.

 

[ToffeeTim]

You're only using the 1 win in 9 when it suits you.

Trying to imply we should win the derby when we've won 1 in the last 24.

How is that showing fairness and a balanced viewpoint?

I have no issue stating the 1 win in 9, if it's put in to context, which none of you are doing.

Ignoring the lack of money, the injuries, lack of quality in the squad and time he's had.

I never said we should win the derby, but I do agree we shouldn't totally write the game off either. We have picked up quite a lot of draws recently in that fixture at Goodison. A point is definitely not an impossibility, although obviously it's not likely.

The context is that the team are struggling with injuries but it's totally unreasonable to say the injuries mean 1 win is 9 is ok. It's an important factor and an excuse for a drop off, but not to this degree. You need to find ways to pick up points in this league without a full strength squad.

The football is diabolical as well. I won't watch this garbage under this manager. It's not Everton football.

He is being judged to different standards than Koeman, Ancelotti and Silva. There are lots who criticised Ancelotti regularly who won't allow one bit of criticism towards Benitez. It's agenda driven, and nothing more.

The only logical reason to judge Benitez to lower standards is by acknowledging he is a far inferior manager to Ancelotti. If people admitted that was the reason for the lack of standards, at least I could understand that. You can't claim someone is elite and then demand expectations are pushed to rock bottom.

 

[whiteshadow]

The issue is this fella is getting more excuses made for his results than any other manager in recent memory.
His performance as manager shouldn't only be judged on having a fully fit squad, a good manager gets results one way or another depending on who he has available, at the minute he's failing that so the criticism is justified.

Well if that was true how come the most decorated manager in our history only finished 10th?

It's your double standards which is crazy.

 

[kenada_blue]

I'm not being funny mate, he's been here 5 months now. He was boasting about how he'd done a total squad audit ahead of his interview. If he hasn't realised that our other midfielders aren't fit for purpose in a two-man midfield in the Premier League then that's worse than him just being stubborn.

Maybe his audit said they're poop in a 3 man midfield to "protect" other unfit or novice players.

I'm sure loads would be happy if he rocked up a midfield of Delph, Allan, Davies in the past few games - only to sub Delph off after an hour cos he can't hack it

 

[Tubey]

Well if that was true how come the most decorated manager in our history only finished 10th?

It's your double standards which is crazy.

The mad thing is that with half the injuries we have now, going into December last season Ancelotti had 1 win in 7. He pulled out three miracle results against Chelsea, Leicester and Arsenal and we were suddenly looking at possibly pushing European places with a few signings in January, that we didn't make because Brands gonna Brands. Ancelotti then had 1 win in 8 in a period in the second half of the season.

But yeah, it comes back to this all not being unique to Benitez. The players he has have by and large proven to be useless for years now, they down tools, they're inconsistent, there's been no plan in the transfer market for years. But because it's Benitez, all that is ignored and he's failing to a unique degree apparently.

 

[whiteshadow]

I never said we should win the derby, but I do agree we shouldn't totally write the game off either. We have picked up quite a lot of draws recently in that fixture at Goodison. A point is definitely not an impossibility, although obviously it's not likely.

The context is that the team are struggling with injuries but it's totally unreasonable to say the injuries mean 1 win is 9 is ok. It's an important factor and an excuse for a drop off, but not to this degree. You need to find ways to pick up points in this league without a full strength squad.

The football is diabolical as well. I won't watch this garbage under this manager. It's not Everton football.

If he had been given decent money to spend, which all our recent managers have, and was struggling like this I would be less forgiving but he hasn't and we all know our squad is crap.

If we carry on playing like this when some of our key players come back I'll be really worried. Some of the haters have been calling for his head with less than 10 games played, it's ridiculous.

At the very least people should have the decency to afford him some time to turn the current situation around.

 

[ToffeeTim]

If he had been given decent money to spend, which all our recent managers have, and was struggling like this I would be less forgiving but he hasn't and we all know our squad is crap.

If we carry on playing like this when some of our key players come back I'll be really worried. Some of the haters have been calling for his head with less than 10 games played, it's ridiculous.

At the very least people should have the decency to afford him some time to turn the current situation around.

You only get time in football these days by earning it through results. Benitez has to prove he deserves time because he came into the club with no credentials to suggest he is still a top manager.

Anyone arguing for patience is asking for a losing mentality. Patience is the opposite to what we should have. We should be desperate to improve every single day to get out of this total mess we are in.

By backing the manager, the club are making it an even bigger task to become competitive again. The longer we stick with Benitez the further we will regress.

 

[MACCA75]

Well if that was true how come the most decorated manager in our history only finished 10th?

It's your double standards which is crazy.

I actually think Carlo did amazing to get 59 points from this lot, but it was a weird season.

 

[JLW]

Well if that was true how come the most decorated manager in our history only finished 10th?

It's your double standards which is crazy.

The wheels fell off and ultimately he lost complete interest, btw he was heavily criticized last season for some of results especially at home.
Many on here have slated Ancelotti for the results against Newcastle Fulham Sheff Utd and even wanted him gone.

Btw any evidence that giving Benitez time and money he will bring success?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You only get time in football these days by earning it through results. Benitez has to prove he deserves time because he came into the club with no credentials to suggest he is still a top manager.

Anyone arguing for patience is asking for a losing mentality. Patience is the opposite to what we should have. We should be desperate to improve every single day to get out of this total mess we are in.

Thats wham mate - Silva was given 18 months despite being utter crap and spending £200 million over two windows

Ancelotti was given over 18 months and would have been here another full season at the minimum despite spending £70 million and finishing 10th & 12th.

Oh look that ex kopite manager has had 11 games and £1.7 million to spend - SACK HIM NOWWWWWW!!!