…I was talking to somebody at USMFF a fortnight ago & lots at the club feel the rot really started with Koeman.
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…I was talking to somebody at USMFF a fortnight ago & lots at the club feel the rot really started with Koeman.
BigDuncTributeBand
Player Valuation: £25m
Mate, you were literally just telling me yesterday that our only problem is defence and that we’ve no problems going forward. Despite all our stats for chances, big chances, shots on target, xg being down the bottoms of the leauge.
Either we’ve been [Poor language removed] going forward and barely look like scoring - in which case, absolutely missing DCL and Richie goes some way to explaining it OR we’ve been fine going forward and have no problem banging in the goals, in which case we’ve not missed DCL or Richie so why bring them up. Can’t have it both ways.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £80m
Fully aligned with this. In an ideal world he’d do a scorched earth interim period and leave some fertile conditions for a new manager to come in and actually make a go of. I don’t think he’d ever have accepted that though.
Of course he would never have been my first choice when Ancelotti left, but once Moshiri made his decision it made more sense to back the man working to try and improve us than imagine a hypothetical scenarios of other managers that may or may not have been interested in the job or capable of doing it.
I actually think Benitez has a natural limit on him as a manager, but if we get to that situation where we are firing him because he’s not progressed us from europa league football or for challenging consistently for trophies then I’d much rather that than see another manager ruined by this current squad culture.
A few seasons of pain to leave us with a squad of hard working committed players with some on field value, miles away from relegation worries, and the FFP issue finally balanced, would be a decent outcome from Benitez for a new manager to then step in and hopefully take us further. I wouldn’t wish the current circumstances on anyone though.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £80m
We’ve managed well without them, there’s no question of that. Gray Gordon Townsend have really stepped up in a big way. So that we haven’t had a major problem scoring goals. We can’t say we haven’t missed them though, we absolutely have. Mina has been a huge miss as well.
I feel everybody appreciates that there have been a very bad succession of injuries which certainly haven’t helped him at all.
But we are getting a really shocking level of performances and results, so I’m afraid that is what he will be judged on, like every single manager before him.
BlueStevie35
Player Valuation: £70m
No, the only way he gets slack is if last night is the catalyst for our form improving, but we said that after the Arsenal game and look what happened
To add, I'm not sure this group of players or perhaps the clubs culture is suited to a manager of his style.
Bottlers etc has often been accused due to being so mentally fragile as a team.
Whether that's a slant on Benitez or Everton is a debate in it's own right but you need a certain type of professional and club culture to react to this type of management;
No doubt mate. If we're 6th, there's likely no banners at a game.
But I've never had Evertonians express disappointment at Everton scoring goals before.
Never.
That's different level and indicative that some criticism is agenda driven and irrational. No point arguing against that, you have to accept it is what it is and factor that into whether he's the right man to be here.
Cow kecks
Player Valuation: £5m
He had Uzzy and Mosh written all over him!
2 things keeping him here;
1) Moshiri seems to have his back.
2) Watford and the other 3 haven't caught us - yet
I don’t think there is anybody here who wanted us to lose, but if losing meant the end of Benitez I would have taken that.
If that’s considered an agenda or not I’m not sure.
All I see is a very angry fan base at the moment which is brought about by the most divisive appointment the board could have made.
Add to that the obvious and glaringly bad way he is setting the team up, it’s just a perfect storm of unrest.
He needs to go, it’s not working and was never going to.
Were we bad before him? Yes
Are we at the same level of bad as last season? No
Are we getting worse? Yes
Are the signs of impovement in the playstyle? No
People might say he's remodelling the club from the ground up but so far:
- Injuries seemingly more frequent than before he fired the medical staff.
- Academy pathway isn't more clear than before him. Kids used out of necessity vs Chelsea, token minutes last night for Dobbin, Gordon getting lots of minutes but you'd argue if Richy and Townsend were fit that wouldn't have been the case.
- DoF gone but so far hasn't shifted any deadwood so can't really judge him on that front yet until we see how Digne goes.
I think personally it's bonkers to think this man is some form of stabiliser to the rocking ship that is Everton.
Are we at the same level of bad as last season? No
Are we getting worse? Yes
Are the signs of impovement in the playstyle? No
People might say he's remodelling the club from the ground up but so far:
- Injuries seemingly more frequent than before he fired the medical staff.
- Academy pathway isn't more clear than before him. Kids used out of necessity vs Chelsea, token minutes last night for Dobbin, Gordon getting lots of minutes but you'd argue if Richy and Townsend were fit that wouldn't have been the case.
- DoF gone but so far hasn't shifted any deadwood so can't really judge him on that front yet until we see how Digne goes.
I think personally it's bonkers to think this man is some form of stabiliser to the rocking ship that is Everton.
Milk
Udderly delicious
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
On the pitch was dull but we ground out pragmatic victories, but dem signings..
Gylfi, Keane, Bolasie, Sandro, Klassen.. Shocking.
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
I'm utterly at a loss at what he's got us set up here...
It's a line that no one follows, it's not playing for offside, it's not man to man.
Its as though some players have some job, other have another, nothing on how to defend as a team.
There's players up to 2 players left all around the box here. You're relying on 1 defender clearing rather than clearing as a team. Because if that player misses it... we're wide open for follow ups all over the box.
It's truly bizzare
It's a line that no one follows, it's not playing for offside, it's not man to man.
Its as though some players have some job, other have another, nothing on how to defend as a team.
There's players up to 2 players left all around the box here. You're relying on 1 defender clearing rather than clearing as a team. Because if that player misses it... we're wide open for follow ups all over the box.
It's truly bizzare
Milk
Udderly delicious
Could be his “Oxford” moment but I doubt it very much
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