Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[DualityNSNO]

He's had multiple poor seasons in the prem with one really good one, how is labelling the good one a fluke in any way laughable? It's a fact, he's had one good premier league season.

BUT 72 POINTS LAD BEST EVER LAD MARTINEZ IS GOD LAD.

 

[roydo]

That 72 points (no matter how much it's buried or 'explained' with recourse to Moyes' Magic Beans) is still our largest PL points total by some distance and proves that this manager is capable of much more in the PL than this

But the proof since, (and before, with hindsight) is a pretty solid body of work that cannot be explained away.

 

[davek]

You can't just pick a small part of the overall data, as it backs up your own beliefs, and use that to justify them.

People are doing that on both sides of the arguments, cultists and plotters alike.

You get plotters just using home form, cultists using cup runs and points totals from two seasons ago.

Do people expect their views to be taken seriously when they only use data that suits their argument and ignore everything else, because 90% of the posts in here are just biased drivel, and that's on both sides. Davek being the worst offender. lol

Whoa whoa, it's not a data set, it's bullet points underlining the contradiction between factual statements and some newly minted core beliefs.

 

[DanEFC92]

It doesn't alter the facts mate:

That 72 points (no matter how much it's buried or 'explained' with recourse to Moyes' Magic Beans) is still our largest PL points total by some distance and proves that this manager is capable of much more in the PL than this

That we're at Wembley and TWO results away from ending a 21 year wait for a trophy

That the only indication we have from anyone in power (i.e. NOT some nobhead like Barton or Merson or "True Blue Gwladys Street Blogger" or whatever the friggin' hell the self important bells call themselves) is that he's a great manager


They are the incontrovertible facts and what we read on here is wishful thinking at best.

'By some distance' - 7 points.

 

[Sentinel]

He;s been here three seasons: PL points total and now we're at Wembley and reaching out for our first trophy in 21 tears.

And in that context, three years. It's not bad at all, considering what we've had to endure in 21.

 

[davek]

fluke1
fluːk/
noun

1. 1.
   an unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck.
   "their victory was a bit of a fluke"
   synonyms: chance, coincidence, accident, a twist of fate;

Discuss.

...a surprising piece pf luck...over 38 games of football.

Lol.

 

[davek]

See? What sort of an answer is that? Do you know what a 'fluke' is David? A one-off. That's basically what it means

Lol. Another one.

 

[whiteshadow]

Its true, the 5th was a complete fluke.

He has finished :
16th, 15th, 15th, 18th, 5th, 11th, 12th.

1 of those seasons is not like the others.

Can't really use Wigan finishing positions as a fair comparison to ours. Keeping Wigan up was an achievement in itself for any manager.

 

[Goat]

Can't really use Wigan finishing positions as a fair comparison to ours. Keeping Wigan up was an achievement in itself for any manager.

No, it wasnt, the managers before him managed 10th and 11th.

 

[caught]

I hope he gets sacked just so we can bin off this nob-magnet of a thread.

 

[DanEFC92]

Can't really use Wigan finishing positions as a fair comparison to ours. Keeping Wigan up was an achievement in itself for any manager.

All hail Paul Jewell.

 

[ianefc]

It doesn't alter the facts mate:

That 72 points (no matter how much it's buried or 'explained' with recourse to Moyes' Magic Beans) is still our largest PL points total by some distance and proves that this manager is capable of much more in the PL than this

That we're at Wembley and TWO results away from ending a 21 year wait for a trophy

That the only indication we have from anyone in power (i.e. NOT some nobhead like Barton or Merson or "True Blue Gwladys Street Blogger" or whatever the friggin' hell the self important bells call themselves) is that he's a great manager


They are the incontrovertible facts and what we read on here is wishful thinking at best.

Pretty poor paragraph

Followed by

Yep it is a fact, but so is 21 in 67 is an indisputable fact.


You are wrong, I am right.

 

[Mally77]

Welcome to the forum mate.

He;s been here three seasons: PL points total and now we're at Wembley and reaching out for our first trophy in 21 tears.

Not bad for that time period really is it?

Thanks for the welcome, enjoying the good debate!
I agree his first season was pretty spectacular and yes we are back at Wembley, not sure who I'd prefer to play to be honest. My gripe is, with this "best squad for 30 years" why aren't we higher up the league? I know you or I don't know the answers otherwise we'd be managing everton but it seems we put all our eggs in one basket. The first season it was the league and since then it was Europe last season and the cups this season.we should be going for every game. we have a great squad, not just a great starting 11..... or am I expecting too much. I personally don't think I am!

 

[micknick]

hide behind your couch lad ...you know sod all about EFC fans....Bye bye

Whats that supposed to mean?

 

[Goat]

All hail Paul Jewell.

Paul Jewells win rate as Wigan Manager 43.64%
Roblerto Fartinezs win rate as Wigan Manager 29.1%