Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Caolam]

Think even if the board were considering sacking him they wouldn't do it till the end of the season.

I thought that too a couple of games ago as I thought things were as bad as they could get. But having watched the team completely capitulate against Arsenal and then serve that up today, I am concerned he is doing damage that can't be repaired.

 

[Jamiednm]

Does anybody think we need to rebuild next season? Our player retention has been great but should we move on players like kone, Pienaar, osman, McGeady? Maybe get some money for James McCarthy while we still can? I just think it's time to go back to the drawing board

I'd be surprised if Lukaku is still here next season. We may lose Stones (no big deal), but other than that we have a strong squad. It doesn't need rebuilding, we need to sack off the manager. An adequate manager would have us in the top 8 with this squad, a good manager would have us competing for top 6. A good manager with a couple of good signings and retaining Lukaku would have us competing for the top 4.

 

[roydo]

The fact is that we have been very consistent over this and the previous season. That is, we have gathered an average of approximately 1, 26 points average a game. If this is good or bad, well, that depends on the goals the club has set. Obviously, we should not forget Roberto Martinez first season, but by not ignoring that fact, we can also see a big decline. Moreover, that decline has now stabilize itself, in other words we have become a team who consistent perform an average of 1.26 points per game. The obvious question is why the drop in our performance, and furthermore why have this decline stabilize itself?

Have we lost any significant players? Has the squad undergone major changes? If not, the theory states that the longer the time, the more the manager can influence and change the contingencies or in other words develop the players and the team. If we accept that the performance has declined, and has stabilized itself slightly below average, then we also should accept that the players are not responding to the influence of the manager. To be concrete, his training methods, tactics, strategies, motivating skills, and so on. Because the only way we can evaluate the manager is the performance the players give on the pitch, the only way we can evaluate the teacher is bye the scores the students get on a test.

The manger and the teacher can say that they are doing progress, but as long we cannot observe it, it`s fiction. We can escape, and say that the cause lies in the future, but the future cannot influence on the present. So my guess, are as good as yours. Except i can say, on the basis of a consistent data sample that the probability of a change is very small. Obviously, you can reply and say that stranger things have occurred. For God`s sake, Leicester are winning the league. However, Leicester are not winning the league with Nigel Pearson as a manager, they are winning the league with Claudio Ranieri. The variables has changed.

First post.

 

[Woolly Blue]

A bit like you with Rhyl blue on the Rodwell thread!

Double standards much!??

All I said was no.

Not at all you tried to humiliate the lad.
It wasn't just a simple no.

Martinez though lads ?

 

[ilikecheese]

Not at all you tried to humiliate the lad.
It wasn't just a simple no.

Well if you look at the first response in that thread you will see that I did indeed just say no.

Then I added 520+ no's yesterday. Anyway, this thread is about Martinez, and I am firmly in the 'out' category.

 

[The Esk]

Even when Martinez actually does change things people don't give him credit. We played 4-4-2 today...or at the very least 4-4-1

Mate, I was sat pretty much on the half way line today, I'm still trying to work out what formation we played.

 

[deipnosophist]

Indeed.

I'm behind the club by the way, I think dave is behind the manager. I'm worried for him.

I'm also worried by BK's "what a manager!" quote post the Chelsea game.
I hope to God, that our new major owner starts exerting influence.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

What point are you trying to make here?

If you can't understand plain English I can't explain it to you.

 

[summerisle]

Haven't had one of these for a while.

 

[toffee matt]

There is no way he will be sacked with kenwright still on the board. We would need to be final 3 with a couple of games left for him to be sacked.

Meh

Beeneth all the theatrical nonsense Kenwright is a pretty hard nosed businessman.

If things became utterly dire I don't think he'd hesitate to change manager

 

[nsno-chris]

Mate, I was sat pretty much on the half way line today, I'm still trying to work out what formation we played today.

Whatever it was it certainly didn't include a left winger

 

[Jamo Martinez]

It is on topic, what's the answer

No it's not.

 

[ilikecheese]

Mate, I was sat pretty much on the half way line today, I'm still trying to work out what formation we played today.

Rom up top...Lennon supporting. Del more advanced on the right. Clev on the left. Barkley and McCarthy in the middle.

They did switch roles at times, but that is the fluid nature of the game.

 

[koolblue77]

Well if you look at the first response in that thread you will see that I did indeed just say no.

Then I added 520+ no's yesterday. Anyway, this thread is about Martinez, and I am firmly in the 'out' category.

It's what came after your first no.
Don't cry over someone having a go when you're guilty yourself. You utterly tried to humiliate the lad.

 

[KevL3095]

It's the same thing we did last season to stop the rot though. We went way more direct for long stretches. Even when Martinez actually does change things people don't give him credit. We played 4-4-2 today...or at the very least 4-4-1-1...it didn't work out, but it's not like he actually doesn't make an effort to switch things up.

He does change formations and players slightly, but it's a total change of style that is needed, and it is a style he believes in, and won't change. He sees it working at Barcelona, and thinks he can do it here. However Spanish football is different, and Barcelona are a team full of superstars. It's like trying to turn the local kids basketball team into the Harlem Globe trotters. You have to work with the tools you have,