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Mate, he was dire, proper, proper dire.

But hand on heart, I would prefer him leading the line than Kone.

Not even a hint of humour in that comment.

I don't believe you mate. Kone is a thousand times the player Denis was. I don't understand the hate of our Ivorian Prince. Granted he's not a left-sided play maker but that's not his fault he's played there....his link play with Lukaku is pretty good, he holds the ball up half decently and allows the counter attack to build....and he has a few goals in him. He's not perfect but he's nowhere near the goon you are implying.
 

I don't believe you mate. Kone is a thousand times the player Denis was. I don't understand the hate of our Ivorian Prince. Granted he's not a left-sided play maker but that's not his fault he's played there....his link play with Lukaku is pretty good, he holds the ball up half decently and allows the counter attack to build....and he has a few goals in him. He's not perfect but he's nowhere near the goon you are implying.

Just my viewpoint mate, Kone would struggle to lead the line for us, hes never scored a single goal for us when played as a striker.
 
Just my viewpoint mate, Kone would struggle to lead the line for us, hes never scored a single goal for us when played as a striker.
I don't disagree, but he's not really been played as an out and out striker. He's scored some decent goals though and can control a ball and pass it....unlike Denis who looked like he'd never seen a ball let alone controlled one. I'm sure the sc outs watched a totally different player on DVD than they actually signed. He made Anichibie look like Drogba.
 

Roberto Martinez: Let’s make 2016 a trophy season for my Toffees
ROBERTO Martinez is fed up staring into a trophy cabinet where old cups have gathered dust.


By Steve Millar / Published 2nd January 2016

That is why the Everton boss is ringing in the new year more optimistic than ever about ending the Goodison honours’ drought.

Martinez feels that his new generation of Everton stars have the unquestioned ability to dramatically improve the proud history of this famous club in the next key five months.

The late great Howard Kendall was the last Everton manager to lift the title in 1987 while Joe Royle’s team beat Man United 1-0 to win the FA Cup in 1995.
But big season-changer games are coming up thick and fast starting with Tottenham today.

Then Everton face Manchester City in the Capital One Cup semi-final first leg at Goodison on Wednesday followed by Saturday’s FA Cup third-round tie against Dagenham and Redbridge.

Martinez is rubbing his hands at the prospect of those fixtures being the springboard for a great run to glory.

He said: “There are no two ways about it, we need to become better as a team and individually but in the same way we all know the potential we have as a team.

“We will never look away from the opportunity we have with this team to be something special in the history of Everton and as manager I take responsibility.

“We have to be a winning team.
“I know that we haven’t won a trophy for a long, long time but it’s in our DNA we should be winning titles. And we should be achieving to win games, not just to compete in games or hope for a win.

“We have got the most important month of the season.

“It’s a pivotal month for us in order for us to face the League Cup, the FA Cup and very important games in the league.

“The next five months will be vital for Everton. “I’m looking forward to them and I think we have the players with the character to cope with that.

“The players with the talent to play our type of football.
“We are not there yet otherwise we would be top of the league but that’s the way we are going in the next five months.”

Martinez doesn’t need to be reminded what’s at stake from now until the end of the season for an Everton side full of exciting talent, particularly in the shape of Romelu Lukaku, Ross Barkley and John Stones. He knows all eyes will be on him in the way he steers the Goodison ship packed with so much hope and so many dreams.

Martinez is now two-and-a-half years into the job – and feels he will get the time to bring back success.

Martinez added: “I am not happy to go through the motions.

“I want to be producing teams which become better, that can play attractive football and that can take responsibility.

“And we want to score goals but at the end of it, we want to be winning things and I don’t expect anything different.

“At Everton, we want to be under that sort of scrutiny.

“We know, though, where we are. We are probably the most exciting team that you would enjoy to watch from a neutral point of view going forward.

“Our attacking play is really exceptional.

“The stats tell you that we are the team with the most goals scored from open play which is something which is very, very difficult to achieve.

“All I want is the best for Everton.

“And whatever happens I will always make decisions like I am going to be the manager for the next 100 years.

“That’s the only way you can manage a football club with the history that we have.”

Whatever may happen, Martinez gets NSNO more than Moyes ever did, and admirably more than a vast majority of our fanbase as well.
 
Whatever may happen, Martinez gets NSNO more than Moyes ever did, and admirably more than a vast majority of our fanbase as well.

He talks a good game, which I think is one of the reasons I want him to do well, but I remain unconvinced that makes any kind of difference at all.

We've had a lot of people on here going 'ambition is good, it's better to aim for 1st and finish 9th then aim for 9th and finish 9th' and like it isn't? It's exactly the same.

I don't get excited when he says stuff like this and I don't get upset when he says our players played really well when they didn't, it's just press talk and it doesn't really make any difference.

I mean I'd take him over Moyes and his open disrespect for our club any day of the week but I'd take pretty much anyone over Moyes tbh. It's not the world's highest bar to jump.
 
It is with a large portion of our fans though mate.

It's like they've all forgotten...I don't get it.

I'm in a weird position with Moyes in that a) I hated him and am glad he's gone and b) I think he left us in a much better position then he inherited and we were much a better team in his last season then he gets credit for.

So a lot of fans talking about him, from both points of view, seem to be talking about somebody else. Like I read a post about the caveman route 1 football we played under Moyes and that just isn't what I remember, which is some superb one touch passing between the likes of fellaini, osman, gibson, baines and pienaar. And then I read a post about our nailed on consistency under Moyes and I remember us being god awful for about half the year and brilliant for the other half most seasons.

I kind of disagree with everyone about him, now. I think he was a lot better manager than half our fanbase makes out and a lot worse than the other half does.
 
I'm in a weird position with Moyes in that a) I hated him and am glad he's gone and b) I think he left us in a much better position then he inherited and we were much a better team in his last season then he gets credit for.

So a lot of fans talking about him, from both points of view, seem to be talking about somebody else. Like I read a post about the caveman route 1 football we played under Moyes and that just isn't what I remember, which is some superb one touch passing between the likes of fellaini, osman, gibson, baines and pienaar. And then I read a post about our nailed on consistency under Moyes and I remember us being god awful for about half the year and brilliant for the other half most seasons.

I kind of disagree with everyone about him, now. I think he was a lot better manager than half our fanbase makes out and a lot worse than the other half does.

haha, well that is a sort of consistency if we kept doing it!

I agree with virtually all of your post though.
 

I'm in a weird position with Moyes in that a) I hated him and am glad he's gone and b) I think he left us in a much better position then he inherited and we were much a better team in his last season then he gets credit for.

So a lot of fans talking about him, from both points of view, seem to be talking about somebody else. Like I read a post about the caveman route 1 football we played under Moyes and that just isn't what I remember, which is some superb one touch passing between the likes of fellaini, osman, gibson, baines and pienaar. And then I read a post about our nailed on consistency under Moyes and I remember us being god awful for about half the year and brilliant for the other half most seasons.

I kind of disagree with everyone about him, now. I think he was a lot better manager than half our fanbase makes out and a lot worse than the other half does.

I was more talking about him turning our fans into accepting plucky little Everton as a flag to bare.

He was perfect for us when he was hired. He did some really good stuff with the squad along the way.

I will always respect what he did...I just hate the mentality he instilled in the club.
 
He proper spouts pyar turd sometimes. At no point does he address the problems, he deflects the attention to our boss attacking play. Like we're doing everything to win honest, just something out of our control keeps stealing our wins.
 
I was more talking about him turning our fans into accepting plucky little Everton as a flag to bare.

He was perfect for us when he was hired. He did some really good stuff with the squad along the way.

I will always respect what he did...I just hate the mentality he instilled in the club.

Again, this is just total bilge.

Mentality he instilled at the club? Were you around for the Walter Smith era? The Mike Walker era? The club mentality for these reigns of terror was 'are we even going to survive this season?'

You try telling it to the crowd at the home game vs Fiorentina that we were only there to 'punch above our weight'. We thought we were the best side left in the tournament and were one goal away from getting through. Frey played out of his mind.

The final against Chelsea fumed the life out of everyone because while Osman and Hibbert might have bought into your 'plucky' agenda, the rest of the team didn't and neither did we, the fans. We thought we could and should've won it. Against arguably one of the best iterations of the recent Chelsea sides.

You've got Martinez saying crap like 'phenomenal moments' when we play well for a half against Norwich. How small time is that?

If the fans (as you keep saying) have forgotten NSNO, why are they booing? Really, if they were happy to float along, they'd just shrug it off. Some of the football was so dire last season that even leading at home vs QPR, the fans were engaged enough to have their say - and loudly.
 
He proper spouts pyar turd sometimes. At no point does he address the problems, he deflects the attention to our boss attacking play. Like we're doing everything to win honest, just something out of our control keeps stealing our wins.

He knows the issues, in the same way Wenger knows he never replaced Vierra, Jose lost the dressing room and Fergie intimidated the ref into adding more time. They're just not spoken about in public.
 
Again, this is just total bilge.

Mentality he instilled at the club? Were you around for the Walter Smith era? The Mike Walker era? The club mentality for these reigns of terror was 'are we even going to survive this season?'

You try telling it to the crowd at the home game vs Fiorentina that we were only there to 'punch above our weight'. We thought we were the best side left in the tournament and were one goal away from getting through. Frey played out of his mind.

The final against Chelsea fumed the life out of everyone because while Osman and Hibbert might have bought into your 'plucky' agenda, the rest of the team didn't and neither did we, the fans. We thought we could and should've won it. Against arguably one of the best iterations of the recent Chelsea sides.

You've got Martinez saying crap like 'phenomenal moments' when we play well for a half against Norwich. How small time is that?

If the fans (as you keep saying) have forgotten NSNO, why are they booing? Really, if they were happy to float along, they'd just shrug it off. Some of the football was so dire last season that even leading at home vs QPR, the fans were engaged enough to have their say - and loudly.

Ok...now Moyes' history is being rewritten. He had us aspiring for titles? He talked about Everton being a club that should be winning titles?

No mate, he didn't. He was a good manager for us when we needed it. That FA Cup final you're talking about sums up Moyes' bottling knife to a gun fight tenure.

We got a crazy early goal...then tried to sit on 1-0 for 89 minutes. It was my second 'favorite' Moyes fail after of course losing 3-0 to Wigan at home. 11 years of MEH.

He turned us into a competitive club with no chance of anything...and never really aspired for it.

Rather just sorta made it seem great that we were a top half side. Plucky little Everton.
 

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