Ronald Koeman discussion

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He's got it wrong in the transfer window this season. Klaassen totally unnecessary, should have had a striker in before Lukaku left or the very minimum as soon as he left. Signed a load of players but not one with any pace at all. No backup for Baines. Somehow has spent close to 150m yet has to play Jagielka and Williams together out of desperation after just two league games such is the lack of depth and quality in the squad. Also signing Rooney, for me, was a huge mistake, regardless of his two goals so far (only if, as I assume, he's been promised to be the main man and will be playing from the start when 'fit' - would have no qualms having him a squad player).
 

He's got it wrong in the transfer window this season. Klaassen totally unnecessary, should have had a striker in before Lukaku left or the very minimum as soon as he left. Signed a load of players but not one with any pace at all. No backup for Baines. Somehow has spent close to 150m yet has to play Jagielka and Williams together out of desperation after just two league games such is the lack of depth and quality in the squad. Also signing Rooney, for me, was a huge mistake, regardless of his two goals so far (only if, as I assume, he's been promised to be the main man and will be playing from the start when 'fit' - would have no qualms having him a squad player).


Agree with all of that except for the Rooney comment.

He has been the one bright spot in this nascent season IMO.

Well, him and DCL.
 
If it was just the "Sky" clubs it would be bad enough.

But it is like this every away game now......Boro, Hull and Stoke away last season spring to mind.

And Lord knows what would have happened in Split if Iceland had not hit his wonder strike :pint2:
No one would advocate throwing caution to the winds away at Chelsea and it was blooming hot to go pressing hard all over the pitch. But even when Chelsea took foot off gas we showed little interest in having a go until it was well too late. Too narrow and rigid in set up. We go to where they are strongest. No natural width or wing play until Lennon came on. Three old guys in defence/LWB means they sit deep or are reluctant to bomb forwards in Bainsey's case quite often. Precious little wide in front of Baines to pass to if he feels he can't make a forward run. Centre back played as RWB who is a good player but clearly reluctant to bomb on and cross. Physically small forward dwarfed and dominated by three CBs until DCL came on. Quite a few positives in little glimpses for me in games so far but today really looked like same old, same old versus rivals above us. We just do not do enough to rattle them and do not look as if it is ever part of the plan. We looked quite confident at first but first setback and the game was up.
We will beat Spurs though!
 
We've just got beat away to the champions in August, Freud lad. Our first defeat of the season.

That didn't even come close to touch on my question. You said fan posts are more damaging to a club than manager decisions. Then you went on to sanctimoniously lambast the fan base.
 

That didn't even come close to touch on my question. You said fan posts are more damaging to a club than manager decisions. Then you went on to sanctimoniously lambast the fan base.
Your question was sancitmonus.

Go see Newcastle United for a lesson on how not to be as a fanbase. Touched?

So I'll repeat. We just got beat 2-0 away to the champions, our first defeat in 7 games this season. The amount of anger, fall out and manager "lambasting" from our fans is way over the top. Toxic even. Geordie even.
 
I don't like his recent comments about Kev, he should keep that stuff inside the Club. He did the same with Ross. Now we will loose both of them, that would be alright if he seemed capable of building a decent team but judging by the window and the fact we lost our main source of goals with no replacement - it seems not. I can see us finishing 9th and he will be gone.
 
For the last time, Koeman doesn't sign anyone. You want to say his tactics are bad, fine.

But AGAIN, 3rd game in 6 days, lots of guys out, lots of guys new, couple not fit, away at the defending champs.

We are into the group stage and have 4 points in 3 games with the two toughest games we have on the schedule for all yesr over and done with.
 
Is Ronkoe capable of building a well bonded team unit?

He seems to rub certain individuals up the wrong way.
He kept some pretty elite talent at Southampton way longer than most expected.

As long as he's up front with Kevin and Ross in the same way he is with the media, I think it's outstanding. Be open and honest about it. Everyone knows how he wants Ross to okay for example. And he's spot on. 100% correct in his assessment. No rumors necessary, nothing to be questioned, straight up.
 

He kept some pretty elite talent at Southampton way longer than most expected.

As long as he's up front with Kevin and Ross in the same way he is with the media, I think it's outstanding. Be open and honest about it. Everyone knows how he wants Ross to okay for example. And he's spot on. 100% correct in his assessment. No rumors necessary, nothing to be questioned, straight up.

His openness and honesty is refreshing I guess.

Isn't a good managers job supposed to be managing players and keeping them happy and positive though?

It seems that He hasn't made a good job of managing Ross and Kevin by all accounts.

How does this effect the squad and the team and its performance?
 
That is the crux of the problem and it seems to be a bizarre way to operate. He's banged on about pressing for the whole of last season yet done nothing to solve the fundamental problem that our defence is too slow, as is the rest of the team.

First thing I would have done would be to sign Pickford and Keane (brilliant business) and then gone in for a top left sided centre back.

Also would have been in for Sessegnon from Fulham....going to be a star and already good enough to rotate with baines
 
Our first defeat of the season, on the back of a game in eastern Europe, and we were away at the champions.It's disappointing but im not going to start wetting the bed at the end of August.As fashionable as it is to do so.
 
If we get the balance right I think we can start looking up the table instead of consolidating 'best of the rest'.
As we've all alluded too -although little to go off- Martinez's first season was something of a stepping out of the dark moment, everything seemed to click and we all got carried away [who knows what would have happened if we got forth that season, we had to be the team to get the most points and not get in]. That's not saying Martinez's Everton is the blueprint to follow, but I genuinely feel we were building something of an identiy. Probably an over used superlative but we had an aura about us, the big teams were talking about us in concerned ways, we 'loaned' our way to success, and a fair few thought Barca were gonna sweep him away.

I fully agree his mantra didn't work when the chips were down, but I feel we lacked conviction and believe when we had a run of poor results. I think weve said for a long time we lack leaders, and don't have characters in the dressing room, it just seems to me we resorted to type, and then the manager becomes the scapegoat. Look at Koemans 1st season after the first 5 games, it when south very fast after the Norwich cup game, we're a defeat or two from collapsing. Koeman to his credit switched it up, but we resorted to a style lacking in his pressing vision.

Atm I can't see the direction the team is going, we've got characters back in the dressing room, we've got likemineded midfielders, strengthen the defense, but imo we lack real width, we lack a midfield who'll carry the ball/team forward, we've got rid of players who were quick footed and a bit mercurial (Geri). As I'm slightly lazy the rest typed below is a copy and paste from a previous post but I think it ties in nicely with this.

This has probably been said by a fair few people, but I'm not sure I get the calls for a targetman in the Giroud mold.

The midfield is a jack-of-all-trades, all rather samey, with no one player who'll commit to getting forward in the final third.
Thereby what is the point in a targetman holding the ball up when the support doesn't come from our midfield - Glyfi isn't that player either. We have an abundance centre mids and adding another just doesn't bring anything to the team.


For all Barkley's flaws -I'm not his biggest fan- he would atleast carry the team forward. Oddly this formation would suit him a lot more as a position is clearly identifiable for him. I'm not saying keep Barkley either, I've said many a time away from this forum he should be sold for his own good, but there has got to be a player of his ilk but better - and I don't think Gylfi is that.

Then again I'm 'wetting the bed' 'it's only preseason' and 'koeman knows best' and you know what all that might be true which renders this and any other forum a waste of time. Nobody should have an opinion because your not Koeman

The key positions in the team should be;

GK (Pickford)
2 CBs (Keane)
1 CM (Schneiderlin)
1 AM (Sigurdsson/Rooney)
1 CF

He's brought in Klaassen when we already had Rooney and were after Sigurdsson but neglected to buy another centre back and forward.

Looking at the team now, we lack a centre back and a forward, its not rocket science to fix the teams spine then add around it....
 
Losing at CFC is no biggie but its the way that it was done that annoys me and especially the formation. Burnley filled midfield at the Bridge and played to their strengths whereas RK's tactic of playing three central defenders with two wing-backs is fine if those wing-backs are fast and can offer something out-wide. Holgate cannot and Baines can, but nowadays just from time to time.

It was a Moyes-like formation and once ten minutes had gone it was clear that EFC were under the cosh, had no pace, no hold-up play upfront
and that we posed no threat at all. RK persisted with the formation. Then CFC score a second. And could have had a couple more. Still not a shot on target from EFC but RK sends out the same tactic for the second half. Why the reluctance to change tactics?

Regarding the signings, Rooney and Gilfi are too similar. Great on the ball but both are pace-less. I find it hard to see how they can both play. The attack is crying out for real pace, width, height.
 

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