The sad thing is that it's the best we've played in about five weeks as well.
Lots of improvements to be made.
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The sad thing is that it's the best we've played in about five weeks as well.
Lots of improvements to be made.
He didn't play that way at S'ton.
He's doing that here as we currently don't have the players to fit the style he wants - there isn't enough energy to our game and there hasn't been for going on 3 seasons.
It's a short-term thing.
What he does need to do is switch to a different system in the meantime.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
There seems to be some debate about whether Koeman is an "Everton man". That seems to be a lot of the frustration towards him. I'll be honest I don't think he's an Everton man, but we do have to ask ourselves what does an "Everton man" really mean now?
As a club we have won 1 trophy in 29 years and nothing in 21 years. Our highest league finish in that time has been 4th. We've carved out a niche and identity for ourselves in that context, which is as a club we accept failure if it means we are decent people. Koeman seems a bit the opposite of that image we have created. He moves around clubs (some may harsh label a mercenary) doesn't want to build for the long term, doesn't sugar coat a message or tell us what we want to hear, but above all else puts winning first.
Now it's not for me to say which outlook is superior. The are benefits to both. However Koemans outlook does differ greatly from what our own has been for a while. I wonder if Evertonians, in all honesty are using a dislike for Koeman for what is actually a dislike of the truth? He's not an Everton man, but maybe he's the catalyst to change the way we view the game?
As for a broader point it's poor currently. I remember when studying the Bolsheviks the question of the Civil war dominates historical paradigms, one side saying the brutality was put upon the Bolsheviks against their will, another side saying it was inherent to their thinking. I always remember Sheila Fitzpatrick stated that the civil war was a formative experience for the Bolshevik outlook, but a formative experience they were looking for.
It's similar to Koeman. The squads in a bad way and not fit enough but if you look at the wider trends for Koeman he does struggle at these periods of a season. The difficulty in fixtures between say gameweek 11-21 always led to what I felt would be a tougher run. After GW 21 we have a good run and I hope we can go on the sort of run he did with Southampton aided with players signed in January? Either way, in a convoluted manner what I'm asking is, what did people expect from Koeman? It's a poor squad. If we finished top half in an ugly way that would be progress. We may not like to admit that, but it's progress from where we were. Unfortunately I think a lot of Evertonians don't hold those low aspirations and maybe aren't as au fait with a more honest and frank analysis.
As a club we have won 1 trophy in 29 years and nothing in 21 years. Our highest league finish in that time has been 4th. We've carved out a niche and identity for ourselves in that context, which is as a club we accept failure if it means we are decent people. Koeman seems a bit the opposite of that image we have created. He moves around clubs (some may harsh label a mercenary) doesn't want to build for the long term, doesn't sugar coat a message or tell us what we want to hear, but above all else puts winning first.
Now it's not for me to say which outlook is superior. The are benefits to both. However Koemans outlook does differ greatly from what our own has been for a while. I wonder if Evertonians, in all honesty are using a dislike for Koeman for what is actually a dislike of the truth? He's not an Everton man, but maybe he's the catalyst to change the way we view the game?
As for a broader point it's poor currently. I remember when studying the Bolsheviks the question of the Civil war dominates historical paradigms, one side saying the brutality was put upon the Bolsheviks against their will, another side saying it was inherent to their thinking. I always remember Sheila Fitzpatrick stated that the civil war was a formative experience for the Bolshevik outlook, but a formative experience they were looking for.
It's similar to Koeman. The squads in a bad way and not fit enough but if you look at the wider trends for Koeman he does struggle at these periods of a season. The difficulty in fixtures between say gameweek 11-21 always led to what I felt would be a tougher run. After GW 21 we have a good run and I hope we can go on the sort of run he did with Southampton aided with players signed in January? Either way, in a convoluted manner what I'm asking is, what did people expect from Koeman? It's a poor squad. If we finished top half in an ugly way that would be progress. We may not like to admit that, but it's progress from where we were. Unfortunately I think a lot of Evertonians don't hold those low aspirations and maybe aren't as au fait with a more honest and frank analysis.
it isn't, at all
I don't think you watched us much in those 15 years then pal...
Nobody is saying all is rosy.
What people are pointing out is there are huge gaps in this squad which still need to be addressed, and when they are we'll see Koeman's team take shape.
Just give it time.
It's crap mate.
He needs to stop being so stubborn and make simple changes which will give everybody a boost.
But the players need to step up. They at least showed yesterday that there's a bit of fight and pride left in them.
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
Some of the players are to blame definitely but, with respect, i'm not having that Ashley Williams - having played at the best 'small' club for possession football for years - has abandoned everything he knows and is good at to launch the ball forward of his own accord.
That's come from the manager. But why?
With one up front and pace on the wings, why is he telling Ashley Williams to launch it?
kenada_blue
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It is.
The more times you hit it long in an area, the likelihood of something happening
Hoof it to Bolasie 10 times, something will happen at least once.
Its as clear as day that none of our attacks are structured, no build up, just repetition until we catch a break.
What was the stat yesterday? 30% were long balls?
RobReid_EFC
Player Valuation: Free Transfer
His tactics are a waste of time... He is just stubborn so he wont bloody change anything. He was at the bottom of my list for managers and he is showing me why.
The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
I have no idea what this comment is supposed to mean.
The point is that Koeman has to be pragmatic and given the current circumstances with a very poor, slow, devoid of invention midfield, erratic wingers and playing Lukaku up front alone is not working and has not worked for a couple of years.
In the absence of fresh players until the next window mixing it up a bit and playing longer, going to a 4-4-2 system is a decent response.
Simon baker
Player Valuation: £10m
Not sure if you are aware of Matt cheetham he is a stats analyst for sky & an Everton season ticket holder he is very very scathing of our current style have a look he has some very interesting data
granter79
Player Valuation: £35m
Looked that way yesterday alright what he was trying to do. Awful to watch I agree. Times we got the ball down and played abit we looked a threat late on but its getting the mix right. If we had a player like Zlatan playing yest up top it would have been more effective. Sadly Rom not that player to lump high balls to.
We give up that much possession against that lot and Arsenal will be a long 90mins.
jaycee
Player Valuation: £60m
Im not going to join the Koeman out club yet,I dont care if he has red deccies or likes mayo on his chips(weirdo) but I dont agree with laying all the blame on the players,they dont suit his style/system fair enough find a style or system that works for now,show action or reaction to whats happening
Id change the set up,if he is manager then his job is to find ways of making things work
Id change the set up,if he is manager then his job is to find ways of making things work
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