Joyce saying what most people suspected. Ross is mentally weak and immature. SELL.
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NCLBlue
Player Valuation: £8m
And after all this still probably won't get in the England squad as he's missing potentially half a season 
Can't see a win for anyone here, even if he signs and puts his head down and plays really well the clubs will be back in for him in the summer. And he will suddenly want a new challenge. It seems as if the clubs are in for him now just to get a good English young player on the cheap or possibly to try and weaken us?! Rather than to be first choice top summer signing.
Can't see a win for anyone here, even if he signs and puts his head down and plays really well the clubs will be back in for him in the summer. And he will suddenly want a new challenge. It seems as if the clubs are in for him now just to get a good English young player on the cheap or possibly to try and weaken us?! Rather than to be first choice top summer signing.
Mikeonlythebestwilldo
Player Valuation: £20m
Woos RATley !!!And after all this still probably won't get in the England squad as he's missing potentially half a season
Can't see a win for anyone here, even if he signs and puts his head down and plays really well the clubs will be back in for him in the summer. And he will suddenly want a new challenge. It seems as if the clubs are in for him now just to get a good English young player on the cheap or possibly to try and weaken us?! Rather than to be first choice top summer signing.
I think that's totally reasonable. I don't see that as mental fragility - I just see it as poor management. Anyone who can look at Koeman and not at least suspect that he's a bit of a muppet are lying to themselves.
If it's mental fragility, then he wouldn't be confronting Koeman about it - he'd just cry in the corner.
I noted it several times myself; Koeman would subtly and regularly bash Barkley in press conferences and not many others who were often consistently worse than him by some distance.
That said, he's still utterly stupid to move because of it, as he should realise Koeman is essentially a caretaker manager who will be gone inside two years, and he should trust his talent enough to rise above the criticism and become a legend here.
He clearly didn't. So no, I don't see mental fragility - I just see a poor man manager and a stupid player who can't see the woods for the trees.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
He singled him out once. Literally once, after the Sunderland game.
100% agree with you, don't understand why everyone is solely criticising Barkley. Both are at fault.
He singled out Ross cause he knew he was under performing. He knew Ross had the ability to be the best player on the park regularly. He hardly was gonna criticise cleverley kone funes etc. He knew they were crap.
Ross us weak mentally. He shirks responsibility. Hides in big games, and flattered to deceive. We need to move past players like that. Massive shame tho cause he could have been sensational.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
On those quotes - I really don't know how you can look at them and think Koeman is being an unreasonable bell with him. He explains exactly the reasons behind the criticism, and then even goes on to praise him on how much he has improved during the season. What has Koeman done wrong exactly?
Stuartisitc1878
Player Valuation: £30m
I don't know how anyone can blame Koeman for bad management - if you're going to blame a manager blame that clown Martinez who messed his head up in the first place. The first time Ross got some truth and proper coaching he wants out.
If you were in a job and your manager kept criticising you, despite your colleagues making the same and often worse mistakes and not getting a mention, would you be happy?
Because I wouldn't. I don't think anybody would be.
Not recognised it was the wrong approach. If the player comes to you and says, "look, lay off ffs, get off my back" - then perhaps don't go public about it again and explain to all and sundry what is happening and then continue to do the thing the employee would really like you not to do?
I don't fault his logic. It'd work with some players. But if it's not and you're simply creating an unpleasant working environment, then don't consciously carry on doing it. Because that's bad management - he should have realised and stopped.
Brendan Janus
Player Valuation: £40m
Saw him in Mothercare earlier !!
There's a different way to approach this that wasn't what Martinez did - blow smoke up everyones arse constantly - as well as what Koeman has done with Ross.
The better approach would have been private constructive criticism, not public ego trips in press conferences.
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