Sam Allardyce

[BlueToff]

I don't seem to blame the manager as much as others do on here

I personally think the players just haven't got their heads right

The tactic of getting it down the wing using pace and putting crosses into a striker is a perfectly legitimate tactic IMO

I can't really complain with what he wants to do tactically. If the players actually bought in and stopped being a bunch of f ups we'd happily amass enough points against the weaker sides to see us safe

Agree here mate.

What is 'negative' is his comments about not being able to play Gylfi and Rooney together, for example, which he himself proved you can do to good effect before Christmas.

Or it's starting with two DM's at home and then not changing it at half-time to turf Schneiderlin - who was awful - off and get Rooney in there next to a runner in midfield so we could get on the ball and move up the pitch.

 

[BlueToff]

I genuinely thought I wouldn't feel worse after we appointed El Huge Samuel... however he has officially ruined football for me.

He is an utter utter fraud and I hate the fact that he is in charge of our club. You know what he worst thing is, reaction or not if he finishes higher then a certain spot you know its guaranteed he will get another 18 month contract because you know, Everton.

I honestly cannot wait for him to leave this club and bring some excitement back into the footy, because right now he is killing it.

But Chaz, Sam isn't the one who has killed it.

Let's be honest, the entire season has been a shambles.

Koeman, Walsh, the players, Unsworth, and Sam.

Sam isn't solely to blame so people need to grasp that.

He hasn't helped himself lately and is turning the fan base against him because he's doing the same things over and over - but he isn't the route cause of the issues at this club.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Agree here mate.

What is 'negative' is his comments about not being able to play Gylfi and Rooney together, for example, which he himself proved you can do to good effect before Christmas.

Or it's starting with two DM's at home and then not changing it at half-time to turf Schneiderlin - who was awful - off and get Rooney in there next to a runner in midfield so we could get on the ball and move up the pitch.

He brought Bolasie on at half time and Rooney was warming up for most of the early minutes of the second half, likely with an eye of coming on for Schneiderlin around the hour mark

However, Jimmy Mac's horrific leg break no doubt put the old kibosh on that one

Then Niasse comes on and scores, thus justifying the sub

Sorry but I don't see much wrong that Allardyce did on Saturday. At the end of the day, it's not his fault if players can't make simple passes

 

[Harry73]

Agree here mate.

What is 'negative' is his comments about not being able to play Gylfi and Rooney together, for example, which he himself proved you can do to good effect before Christmas.

Or it's starting with two DM's at home and then not changing it at half-time to turf Schneiderlin - who was awful - off and get Rooney in there next to a runner in midfield so we could get on the ball and move up the pitch.

Not disagreeing but more just a question - are we not just playing two DMs because he cannot afford to expose our defence to anything like an attacking team. If we assume that Williams or Jags spends half their time thinking the left-back is a complete joke they are always going to be compromised. it's no real surprise that the right defender in the partnership is the more secure. Sam has said time and time again, he cannot afford for us to push forward as an attacking force because we don't know how to defend.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

But Chaz, Sam isn't the one who has killed it.

Let's be honest, the entire season has been a shambles.

Koeman, Walsh, the players, Unsworth, and Sam.

Sam isn't solely to blame so people need to grasp that.

He hasn't helped himself lately and is turning the fan base against him because he's doing the same things over and over - but he isn't the route cause of the issues at this club.

Sam isn't the cause, but he is the one who has killed it and finished it off in my Opinion. Sam Allardyce is, and I repeat this as ive said it a million times, not the answer to ANYTHING to do with our club. This, right now is what I expected when he was put in charge.

The season, everything about it is absolutely terrible. Start from the top, sweep everyone and anything who isn't good enough - Walsh, gone - he should have went with Koeman, Allardyce his team and the band of over paid prima donnas Walsh has assembled into the most unbalanced squad I have witnessed can all go too.

Koeman lost the players due to treatment of certain squad members (it happens) and he wasn't charismatic enough to win the others back, Unsworth was too Pally pally and was never going to succeed.

Sam isnt the cause, but he is the one who is putting the final nails in the coffin - and I am not OK with that or that fact we might have another season at least of this absolute mess.


EDIT - as discussed previously, certain people at the club created the panic which led to this with Allardyce, these people need to be removed.

 

[BlueToff]

Sam isn't the cause, but he is the one who has killed it and finished it off in my Opinion. Sam Allardyce is, and I repeat this as ive said it a million times, not the answer to ANYTHING to do with our club. This, right now is what I expected when he was put in charge.

The season, everything about it is absolutely terrible. Start from the top, sweep everyone and anything who isn't good enough - Walsh, gone - he should have went with Koeman, Allardyce his team and the band of over paid prima donnas Walsh has assembled into the most unbalanced squad I have witnessed can all go too.

Koeman lost the players due to treatment of certain squad members (it happens) and he wasn't charismatic enough to win the others back, Unsworth was too Pally pally and was never going to succeed.

Sam isnt the cause, but he is the one who is putting the final nails in the coffin - and I am not OK with that or that fact we might have another season at least of this absolute mess.


EDIT - as discussed previously, certain people at the club created the panic which led to this with Allardyce, these people need to be removed.

Aye, Walsh needs binning asap lad.

But we both know it won't happen.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I should point out as well that I'm hardly an Allardyce fan, but I'm also not as vitriolic as others against him, mainly because there isn't a single part of me that thinks he'll still be here next season

To me, he's a short term fix brought in to scrape enough points to get us safe after Koeman shot the season to pieces

At this moment in time, we need 12 more points to get to 40. If he can get us them by playing drab football then fair enough

I personally think the sides he's selecting are good enough to beat most of the bottom half, even with the tactics he wants to employ

IMO, the players are just a gaggle of screw ups who can't even do the basics right now

Let's not forget they essentially downed tools against Spurs once the second goal went in

They are as culpable as Allardyce IMO, if not more

The only axe I had to grind with Allardyce was the whole left back thing, but now it even looks like he's trying to sign one of those as well. Basically, I see no real point getting wound up about a manager who isn't going to be here for the long haul

Now, if we keep dropping points at home to the weaker teams then I may think differently. But right now, my issue is more with the players than him (And Moshiri and Walsh, who I both think are utterly useless)

 

[BlueToff]

He brought Bolasie on at half time and Rooney was warming up for most of the early minutes of the second half, likely with an eye of coming on for Schneiderlin around the hour mark

However, Jimmy Mac's horrific leg break no doubt put the old kibosh on that one

Then Niasse comes on and scores, thus justifying the sub

Sorry but I don't see much wrong that Allardyce did on Saturday. At the end of the day, it's not his fault if players can't make simple passes

Agree here as well mate

I don't want to see comments from him like not being able to play Gylfi and Rooney together because they can't cover ground, though.

It's bull, because Sam himself showed it could work when he first came in.

It's like he stumbled on a winning formula, but then his preset, default tactics took over and he switched back to that - which just hasn't worked.

We'll see if you're right in regards to the Rooney/Schneiderlin thing against Leicester, anyway.

There is no way that MS should be anywhere near the starting XI. We should match Leicester's 4-4-2 and have Rooney in there with Gueye covering. Or, if he's really worried about mobility, have Davies in there instead.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Aye, Walsh needs binning asap lad.

But we both know it won't happen.

It wont, but this all tracks back to the moment we sacked Koeman.

As a club we are not brave or bold enough to do things. The sheer fear at the club that there was limited managers with prem experience when the world has so many successful managers was clear enough what the club see's itself as.

Imagine, imagine when Wenger was managing Gampus 8 and arsenal turned around and went "nope no prem experience"... they where bold enough to hire a foreign coach who hadn't managed on these shores before. Bloody hell there is more managers in the world who have a better CV then Wenger had then.

The club isnt bold enough, bold enough to look at a manager from outside these shores, bold enough to sack a majorly under performing DOF, bold enough to do anything we expect of our great club.

I say great, it was once...

 

[Saint Domingo]

He seems to know what is going wrong but seems unable to do anything about it. Overall though I blame the players. The most unprofessional squad in our prem history.

 

[Saint Domingo]

It wont, but this all tracks back to the moment we sacked Koeman.

As a club we are not brave or bold enough to do things. The sheer fear at the club that there was limited managers with prem experience when the world has so many successful managers was clear enough what the club see's itself as.

Imagine, imagine when Wenger was managing Gampus 8 and arsenal turned around and went "nope no prem experience"... they where bold enough to hire a foreign coach who hadn't managed on these shores before. Bloody hell there is more managers in the world who have a better CV then Wenger had then.

The club isnt bold enough, bold enough to look at a manager from outside these shores, bold enough to sack a majorly under performing DOF, bold enough to do anything we expect of our great club.

I say great, it was once...

The board only care about staying up. Winning stuff is too hard, hence the recent managerial choices.

 

[ijjysmith]

He seems to know what is going wrong but seems unable to do anything about it. Overall though I blame the players. The most unprofessional squad in our prem history.

Indeed. Sam Allardyce is about as grim as you can get for an Everton manager. But it's not his fault he selects a side and they instantly look like a gang of strangers who have never played football before as soon as they touch the grass.

This is too common an occurrence for it to be purely down to the managers, although they don't seem to help themselves I admit, the club just feels rotten to the core for me at the moment.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Indeed. Sam Allardyce is about as grim as you can get for an Everton manager. But it's not his fault he selects a side and they instantly look like a gang of strangers who have never played football before as soon as they touch the grass.

This is too common an occurrence for it to be purely down to the managers, although they don't seem to help themselves I admit, the club just feels rotten to the core for me at the moment.

Indeed

And that comes from up top

Moshiri is a buffoon who looks like he's trying to give Vincent Tan a run for his money whilst Walsh is awful at every single facet of his job

The club is a mess and Allardyce is merely a symptom of the overall illness infecting it

 

[bluestevon]

I don't seem to blame the manager as much as others do on here

I personally think the players just haven't got their heads right

The tactic of getting it down the wing using pace and putting crosses into a striker is a perfectly legitimate tactic IMO

I can't really complain with what he wants to do tactically. If the players actually bought in and stopped being a bunch of f ups we'd happily amass enough points against the weaker sides to see us safe

The manager chooses the team mate, he chooses to play (and buy one of) two wide players who are best at cutting in - Bolasie for example can't cross a road never mind a ball, chose not to bother getting a left back in - which means absolutely no width that side - and whoever plays ahead of him is spending the majority covering the position rather than playing as an attacker (not helped by the fact Martina seems to have a panic attack if he crosses the half way line), Kenny is looking more and more deflated and reticent (or under orders) to keep in his own half and not venture forwards, meaning the right side lacks width also now.

Interesting stat - against West Brom at home - we managed a grand total of zero corners in the 90, shows just how narrow we where that stat.

If your last line is what you truly believe mate, why did we not just stick with Koeman or Unsworth? Why spend 11 m for 18 months of a manager who end of the day can't get them playing?

 

[bluestevon]

It's also a thing of how we play in general.

Whoever we play in that 'no.10' role constantly receives the ball with his back to goal.

Whereas you want your players running onto things, which means playing a 4-3-3 - and now, for once, we actually seem to have the personnel to play a proper 4-3-3.

Simple answer mate, sack the man, hire a manager who isn't 20 years out of date with football, and who isn't the polar opposite of what we want to see as a Everton manager.