Sam Allardyce

[Papa Shango]

Fair enough mate, but i honestly think the only chance we have of going down this season is if we stick with Allardyce now, we change we will get a bounce im certain of that, but look at the remaining games and say where you expect this team right now with this manager to get points?

I have looked at this team all season and have wondered where we are getting points from from 3 managers. I'm not sure a 4th manager would change my viewpoint on that.

I genuinely think Allardyce has been brought in as a task master. Rightly or wrongly he is trusted by the decision makers and I reckon his main role (other than keeping us up obviously) is to weed out the players who we do not need to take us forward and get some players in who can. I am alright with him doing that too as long as that's the plan.

 

[MikeH72]

I keep seeing this message peddled and I think this is absolute nonsense.

Last season;

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Absolute league of our own.

Look at the distance from us in 7th to every side below us.

We lose Lukaku/Barkley, we sign Pickford, Keane, Sigurdsson, Rooney and more.

Upfront aside, we've strengthened.

Allardyce has come in, and Tosun and Walcott are now in as well.

Our side is just as good now as last season - our Director of Football with his "take away Lukaku's goals and we still finished 7th" - they've took them away, and still spent a fortune so go and finish 7th.

Allardyce is in PR mode at the moment talking up relegation possibility and his "back to basics" crap.

I think this is a long winded way of saying our squad is not absolutely agonisingly dire. The delusion astounds me.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I think this is a long winded way of saying our squad is not absolutely agonisingly dire. The delusion astounds me.

It's not relegation fodder.

Despite how woeful we've been with our third manager, we're 9th - as close to 7th and potential europa league as we are relegation zone.

So why, after spending near £50m has this manager talked up relegation chances?

 

[MickA]

I have looked at this team all season and have wondered where we are getting points from from 3 managers. I'm not sure a 4th manager would change my viewpoint on that.

I genuinely think Allardyce has been brought in as a task master. Rightly or wrongly he is trusted by the decision makers and I reckon his main role (other than keeping us up obviously) is to weed out the players who we do not need to take us forward and get some players in who can. I am alright with him doing that too as long as that's the plan.

Surely that's the last thing you want anybody of his calibre affecting? If ins and outs aren't being signed off by Walsh (stop laughing) or the next man we truly haven't seen the nadir of this period yet.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

It's not relegation fodder.

Despite how woeful we've been with our third manager, we're 9th - as close to 7th and potential europa league as we are relegation zone.

So why, after spending near £50m has this manager talked up relegation chances?

Nail on the head mate...

Woeful man, absolutely Woeful.

 

[Papa Shango]

I keep seeing this message peddled and I think this is absolute nonsense.

Last season;

View attachment 43634

Absolute league of our own.

Look at the distance from us in 7th to every side below us.

We lose Lukaku/Barkley, we sign Pickford, Keane, Sigurdsson, Rooney and more.

Upfront aside, we've strengthened.

Allardyce has come in, and Tosun and Walcott are now in as well.

Our side is just as good now as last season - our Director of Football with his "take away Lukaku's goals and we still finished 7th" - they've took them away, and still spent a fortune so go and finish 7th.

Allardyce is in PR mode at the moment talking up relegation possibility and his "back to basics" crap.

We did not strengthen at all. We added players which is a bit different. Replacing Lukaku with...well, nobody, is not strengthening. Nor is replacing a useful player in Barkley with 3 players who perform the same role and to a lesser degree.

We have too many similar players and no out ball. Lukaku and Barkley gave us that to an extent. Also we miss Coleman massively, they were probably our 3 best players and we have had none of them.

Realistically we have upgraded the goalkeeper. Everything else has got worse due to poor squad balance.

 

[Papa Shango]

Surely that's the last thing you want anybody of his calibre affecting? If ins and outs aren't being signed off by Walsh (stop laughing) or the next man we truly haven't seen the nadir of this period yet.

Depends what you think his caliber is? So far I cant complain about those he has shipped out and I am made up with the Walcott signing. Tosun, the jury is still out on but its hard for him right now.

I found it very telling that Allardyce spoke with every player when he first came in and made a point of that. i dont mind someone being a bit ruthless and getting rid of the dead wood.

 

[blueblue]

I do think we needed a centre forward. DCL is a young lad , a novice at this level and Niasee seems to be most effective as an impact sub.
The team lacked pace and Walcott helps solve that problem.

I do agree that the left back situation is critical.. I wonder if the plan is to bring Coleman back as a right back and play Kenny on the left if they cannot sign anybody.

I also agree about the dominant midfielder like N'Nonzi who could very easily have a very positive influence allowing other players to find their true form.

 

[Khalekan]

It's not relegation fodder.

Despite how woeful we've been with our third manager, we're 9th - as close to 7th and potential europa league as we are relegation zone.

So why, after spending near £50m has this manager talked up relegation chances?

Excellent point.

When asked the question about being in a relegation fight, why didn’t he just say.......“yes, it is mathematically possible but we are just as close to finishing in a high enough league position to get into Europe and that is what we are focusing on”.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

We did not strengthen at all. We added players which is a bit different. Replacing Lukaku with...well, nobody, is not strengthening. Nor is replacing a useful player in Barkley with 3 players who perform the same role and to a lesser degree.

Hang on...

I seem to recall you waxing lyrical over our transfers;

When the window closed, to someone moaning we hadn't replaced Lukaku you said;

We replaced Lukaku with England and Manchester United's all time record goalscorer.....

Changed your tune now?

Oh and;

I think the idea was for Rooney, Sandro and even the likes of Klaassen to get 10-15 goals to fill the gap.

I actually don't think we need an out and out goalscorer (would be nice to get one of course..) but we do need another option up front who offers something different. DCL may offer that one day and will do a job at times this season but we cant really on him every game. I don't think we need a "big" name or a statement signing, just someone who can hold up the ball and get on the end of some crosses.

That idea no good then?

Still dont think we need an out and out goalscorer? Or someone who can offer something different?

So, lets be fair.

My point remains;

We lose Lukaku/Barkley, we sign Pickford, Keane, Sigurdsson, Rooney and more.

Upfront aside, we've strengthened.

Allardyce has come in, and Tosun and Walcott are now in as well.

Our side is just as good now as last season - our Director of Football with his "take away Lukaku's goals and we still finished 7th" - they've took them away, and still spent a fortune so go and finish 7th.

Allardyce is in PR mode at the moment talking up relegation possibility and his "back to basics" crap.

This side isn't relegation fodder, it contains a lot of top international players and the manager shouldn't be talking up the possibility to protect his own reputation.

This side strengthened on last season in every position apart from upfront - we finished 7th in a league of our own last season and despite is being woeful this season, we're 6 points of 7th.

An Everton manager 2 wins from 7th, having just spent near £50m and the window still open shouldn't be talking up relegation prospects.

 

[MickA]

Depends what you think his caliber is? So far I cant complain about those he has shipped out and I am made up with the Walcott signing. Tosun, the jury is still out on but its hard for him right now.

I found it very telling that Allardyce spoke with every player when he first came in and made a point of that. i dont mind someone being a bit ruthless and getting rid of the dead wood.

He's only got rid of Walsh and Mirallas on loan. Barkley was already on his way out after making it clear he wasn't signing so he's hardly being mad ruthless.

As for incomings we'll have to wait and see how they get on but I have reservations over paying 50 mil on a Turkish forward and an Arsenal reserve.

Personally I wouldn't give him a penny, his previous in the transfer market fills me with dread.

 

[Papa Shango]

He's only got rid of Walsh and Mirallas on loan. Barkley was already on his way out after making it clear he wasn't signing so he's hardly being mad ruthless.

As for incomings we'll have to wait and see how they get on but I have reservations over paying 50 mil on a Turkish forward and an Arsenal reserve.

Personally I wouldn't give him a penny, his previous in the transfer market fills me with dread.

I assume you mean Walsh there? Fair enough but we don't know what goes on behind the scenes do we?

Walcott is exactly the type of player we needed. Don't worry about the money.

Lennon has gone too has he not? I reckon some others will follow too.

 

[MikeH72]

Hang on...

I seem to recall you waxing lyrical over our transfers;

When the window closed, to someone moaning we hadn't replaced Lukaku you said;



Changed your tune now?

Oh and;



That idea no good then?

Still dont think we need an out and out goalscorer? Or someone who can offer something different?

So, lets be fair.

My point remains;



This side isn't relegation fodder, it contains a lot of top international players and the manager shouldn't be talking up the possibility to protect his own reputation.

This side strengthened on last season in every position apart from upfront - we finished 7th in a league of our own last season and despite is being woeful this season, we're 6 points of 7th.

An Everton manager 2 wins from 7th, having just spent near £50m and the window still open shouldn't be talking up relegation prospects.

It doesn't contain any "top" international players. Not a single one at all. Being an international doesn't mean anything, Glenn Whelan is an international.

 

[Papa Shango]

Hang on...

I seem to recall you waxing lyrical over our transfers;

When the window closed, to someone moaning we hadn't replaced Lukaku you said;


Changed your tune now?

Oh and;


That idea no good then?

Still dont think we need an out and out goalscorer? Or someone who can offer something different?

So, lets be fair.

My point remains;


This side isn't relegation fodder, it contains a lot of top international players and the manager shouldn't be talking up the possibility to protect his own reputation.

This side strengthened on last season in every position apart from upfront - we finished 7th in a league of our own last season and despite is being woeful this season, we're 6 points of 7th.

An Everton manager 2 wins from 7th, having just spent near £50m and the window still open shouldn't be talking up relegation prospects.

Are you messing? You think the Rooney comment was me saying that I was happy with it? Really? Also I said what the thinking behind the lack of a big name striker was, I didn't say I was happy with it did I? People said we didn't buy a striker. I said we did, we bought three (Sandro, Rooney, Onyekuru), I also went on to say that we bought the wrong strikers or those that were not ready or not available, if you want to leave that out to suit your argument then fair enough.

Saying we need an out and out striker is such simple thinking. We need players who can move and can carry the ball. Not someone who can just finish chances that we don't create.

This IS a relegation fodder side. We do not score enough and we can not keep a clean sheet. Why do people ignore this? Yeah we should have enough to stay out of it but we are an absolute mess squad wise. Having loads of half decent players who play the exact same way in the same positions is not having a good squad. Where we came last season is totally irrelevant as its not the same side. We are as much a top half side as we are a relegation threatened side as the league is pretty tight right now.

Not really sure why you are mentioning what Allardyce said about relegation as I didn't really give an opinion on that but we have been rubbish all season, like awful for the most part due to us being massively unbalanced and not strengthening at all. Adding players is not strengthening if they are not as good as the ones they replaced.

 

[Papa Shango]

It doesn't contain any "top" international players. Not a single one at all. Being an international doesn't mean anything, Glenn Whelan is an international.

Yup. I have seen this international thing mentioned twice this season against West Brom when they have in fact had more internationals on the pitch than we had. It means nothing.