Sam Allardyce

[Toffeelover]

He’s no different than Koeman though, as blames everyone but himself for the crap that we’re seeing week in week out

For me the vast part of the crap as you put it is down to the player. Sam can't control their awful passing, or the 5 yard ones plus we have the record for back passing and neither can he control the failure of players not running into space. Tactics and subs maybe but when are so called footballers could not even get an erection what can he do.

Being rude I know but this gang of so called pros gets me angry.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

What he actually said that is that our current form is relegation form mate, which it is. We've taken 3 points from the last 18 on offer.

He spoke to various, with various answers.

The outcome of it was leading publications (Guardian, telegraph etc) going with the obvious headlines.

When asked if the Toffees could be dragged back into the relegation fight Allardyce replied: “Yes, very.

“Especially after performing like that and last week’s second-half performance.

“I’ve seen a huge drain in the confidence in the players in the space of one-and-a-half football matches because we didn’t do too bad in the first-half against Tottenham.

“The quality of the Tottenham side I can kind of accept but West Brom are in the bottom three and if anybody should’ve been suffering from nerves it should’ve been them more than us.”

The Everton players may have thought they had done enough.

“It was a false sense of security if they think like that,” said Allardyce. “

This mindset/publicity only helps Sam Allardyce.

We had enough of this self preservation with David Moyes - again, I'm like a stuck record but an Everton manager 6 points from 7th and 6 points from 18th, having just spent near £50m shouldn't be entertaining discussion around relegation - it only helps him, not the club.

 

[Steve Wigan]

One thing does occur to me, based on Moshiris comment that money is not a problem. Our current players are probably all dispirited because they know that if the scenario is right for Moshiri(or the guy whose name begins with 'U') to take the brake off and throw another £300 million at the team,NONE of them will be in with a shout. To some extent even Walcott and CEnk are 'stop gaps'. One of SAms jobs is to trim unneccesary wage costs and keep us ticking over at the same time...there can be no other sensible explanation of the relative short termism methods being adopted.

 

[Berenger]

He tightened us up I give him credit for that initially but I believe Unsworth actually had finally found a formation and a team that worked and he just went with it, adapting it to be more defensive away from home. The issue has come as he tried to actually attack teams then his negative statements, coaching, tactics and mentality are brutally exposed. Setting up negatively against Bournemouth away and WBA at home, removing things that have worked such as Williams/Holgate, bringing back Morgan who should have been sold like Mirallas, benching Lookman after he'd helped set up a goal at Anfield. He maintained some momentum intially but he's quickly choked it off.

Agree with most of the latter but Unsworth had definitely not found a system. Southampton was his second to last game, one of the worst displays of the season defensively. The West Ham game wasn't great defensively either even though we got a clean sheet. Pickford pulled us out of the mire and West Ham were still terrible.

 

[COYBL25]

He spoke to various, with various answers.

The outcome of it was leading publications (Guardian, telegraph etc) going with the obvious headlines.



This mindset/publicity only helps Sam Allardyce.

We had enough of this self preservation with David Moyes - again, I'm like a stuck record but an Everton manager 6 points from 7th and 6 points from 18th, having just spent near £50m shouldn't be entertaining discussion around relegation - it only helps him, not the club.

He’s played this game many times before and he’s a master at it.

 

[billyblue80]

Mate, let's not re-write history.

We had zero 'momentum'. In the two games proceeding Sam's appointment, we'd conceded 9 and scored 2.

We played well against a crap West Ham side in Unsy's last game, but in all truth relied on a moment of magic from Rooney to kill the game after they had battered us for 20 minutes of the second half and Pickford had stopped them getting back into the game.

Sam built on that by simplifying things and we played well against H'field, got a result at Anfield and then played confidently against N'Castle and Swansea. We did what we needed to against Chelsea.

West Brom and B'mouth away were crap performances and against United we were outclassed. Unlucky at Anfield because we did actually 'go for it' - at least more than we have done at any point there in recent years. Against Spurs we were woeful in the second half and Saturday was gash.

It's a combination of things. Sam isn't at fault for a lot of it but at the moment is offering no solution to the problems.

I actually agree with most of that I just think you're giving him a bit too much credit for the run I think confidence is a big part of football and that West Ham win was huge. Of course he did some good things but he's limited only one way. As soon as he tried to change the team his limitations are exposed of course the squad is unbalanced and of course our players aren't good enough or aren't playing well enough but as a manager it's your role to make sure the team works and currently it isn't. So he should take as much criticism as he did praise in that initial run.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Still love Kenwright mate?

Lemming. Creature who follows all other lemmings of a cliff,simply because that's what the do.............

 

[Papa Shango]

I gave him a fair shake and was behind him up until probably the Tottenham game. We are beyond terrible and have gotten worse since he took over.

He's talking about the two sets of six games he's been here for but out of the two of them it is clear which is the fluke.

The supporters just want this season to finish and are not liking what they have to sit through until then. I originally thought he would get the season no matter what but the way the crowd was on Saturday is making me revise that. He has to start winning if he wants the fans behind him because he's given nothing for us to hang a bit of belief on.

Yeah I get that, I am a fan myself after all.

The one part I don't agree with is that we have gotten worse. We have been awful all season, like ridiculously so and 3 managers have got the same results so far. Hopefully with some players coming back we may start to improve.

 

[Papa Shango]

One that hasn't been relegated since the 50's?

Meh.

 

[billyblue80]

Agree with most of the latter but Unsworth had definitely not found a system. Southampton was his second to last game, one of the worst displays of the season defensively. The West Ham game wasn't great defensively either even though we got a clean sheet. Pickford pulled us out of the mire and West Ham were still terrible.

Sure but it's still our best footballing performance this season even with that twenty minutes and some shaky moments at the back.

 

[Toffeelover]

He spoke to various, with various answers.

The outcome of it was leading publications (Guardian, telegraph etc) going with the obvious headlines.



This mindset/publicity only helps Sam Allardyce.

We had enough of this self preservation with David Moyes - again, I'm like a stuck record but an Everton manager 6 points from 7th and 6 points from 18th, having just spent near £50m shouldn't be entertaining discussion around relegation - it only helps him, not the club.

What ever helps him surely helps the club???

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Meh.

It's not "meh" though is it mate?

It's an example that for two, maybe three, generations of Evertonians, the thought of playing in the second tier is a completely unfathomable outcome

Everton are a top flight side who belong in that company

It's literally the only thing we have left as a fan base

Therefore, to hear we can't even rely on that any more is definitely a cause for concern

If Everton loses its top flight status, what does it have left?

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

It's not "meh" though is it mate?

It's an example that for two, maybe three, generations of Evertonians, the thought of playing in the second tier is a completely unfathomable outcome

Everton are a top flight side who belong in that company

It's literally the only thing we have left as a fan base

Therefore, to hear we can't even rely on that any more is definitely a cause for concern

If Everton loses its top flight status, what does it have left?

As Elstone amazingly put it, our ambition is "to be a football club" lollollollol

Or, the CEO's ambition is that.

 

[Papa Shango]

It's not "meh" though is it mate?

It's an example that for two, maybe three, generations of Evertonians, the thought of playing in the second tier is a completely unfathomable outcome

Everton are a top flight side who belong in that company

It's literally the only thing we have left as a fan base

Therefore, to hear we can't even rely on that any more is definitely a cause for concern

If Everton loses its top flight status, what does it have left?

We have skirted with relegation a fair few times though in that period. Sadly we are an also ran, have been for many years. Even when we were good we had periods of being average before getting a good side for a few seasons.

To be honest the Everton that I love and grew up with is being slowly chipped away at anyway. Its probably a modern football thing more than anything though.

 

[kenada_blue]

I remember Koeman shooting aspirations of top 4 down after spending £200mill.

At least he was honest.