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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

It baffles me why he hasn't used alternative formations. I think the only time I can remember us lining up with something other than the low block 4-4-1-1 was last season away at Villa (league cup) and away at Burnley (league) where we played a 3-5-1-1 and won both games. Not seen it since!

The only alternative to the 4-4-1-1 we have seen recently is a 4-5-1 in 3 games (when Doucoure has dropped into midfield to join Mangala and Gueye). In his interviews Dyche calls this '3 in midfield'. A lot of the media outlets describe this as a 4-3-3 which makes me laugh when you see where our wide players line up.
 
Very harsh mate.

I agree that article feels a bit of a content filler - a lot of words just recycling what we already know, but they/he's done some excellent articles. As an example, I rarely share anything Everton to friends an family but I shared this one far and wide the other week because of the insight it give.

I don't think there's anyone out there better than what Paddy does for Everton coverage - I think you'd struggle to name anyone either, so perhaps we can be a little less critical.
I don't agree. I don't think the Athletic is any great shakes at all. And, without personalising it to the journalist in question, I don't think the overall quality of general Everton coverage anywhere is much to write home about. Then again, I think I'm stating the obvious, because if I did think it was any good, I'd pay for it...
 
I've been thinking about this a lot since the Bournemouth game. Originally I believed that match was Dyches last chance. He lost it and it was a poor display.

However I'm starting to think that if we could just provide Dyche with a couple new players, then I believe he will keep us up. And if he finishes the season more stylishly and gets up the xg and goals while keeping the xg against as it is then he could still lead us forward.

When thinking of alternatives to him, Moyes is by far the safest option as he knows the club, will have been watching all Everton games so will know their strengths and weaknesses and has a very strong track record and is perhaps an upgrade on Dyche in that he would do better in the easier games that Dyche tends to struggle in. My issue with Moyes is the timing. I still think his sacking from West Ham is relatively fresh and I'm not sure we will get the best version of Moyes right now, he's getting a bit older too, is the appetite really there now for a relegation scrap? Maybe but not guaranteed.

Potter is the other option, but the more I think about him, how good exactly is he? When he left Brighton they seemed to improve so was he actually holding them back? He was poor at Chelsea too and did he really do much at Swansea? Is he the right character for a tough job like ours? I'm not sure, it's a big risk really. If he was to come in and lose a few would it all get too much for him?

I think keeping Dyche would be the safest option but he needs to be backed strongly in this window in the exact areas that we need. If you remember right we actually look a lot more attractive to watch when irigboenum was playing but that players lack of defensive awareness put paid to that idea. It's not as though Dyche isn't capable of better football, he's just fearful of how with what's available it's a less efficient practice to use.

He does clearly have his faults Dyche, the stats are damning but crucially he is still in 16th in the league with a game in hand. He probably is the safest bet but the squad drastically needs improvement, I'm talking 3 or 4 ready to go players in the door. The right wing is not good enough, neither option is helping the team at all. The strikers need service. A more productive left back could be beneficial.

I think this is where I am at the moment.

I originally thought he has to go, but I actually think if given better resources he's the safest bet. But at the same time the owners need to give him the carrot of saying if you succeed and the signs are promising then you could earn a new contract. Because for a manager to stay who knows he will be sacked is also a massive negative as subconsciously you won't get the best out of them.
 
Is there news he gleans from the club or sources close to it to provide exclusive content - which is what I'd describe as proper journalism - or are they articles scrambled together synthesising other people's work that we should accept as a bare minimum from anyone being paid F/T to write about Everton?
I dont understand the question?

Hes a journalist, he will have quotas to fill, so yes, he will do fluff pieces.

You understand journalism, yes?
 

I've been thinking about this a lot since the Bournemouth game. Originally I believed that match was Dyches last chance. He lost it and it was a poor display.

However I'm starting to think that if we could just provide Dyche with a couple new players, then I believe he will keep us up. And if he finishes the season more stylishly and gets up the xg and goals while keeping the xg against as it is then he could still lead us forward.

When thinking of alternatives to him, Moyes is by far the safest option as he knows the club, will have been watching all Everton games so will know their strengths and weaknesses and has a very strong track record and is perhaps an upgrade on Dyche in that he would do better in the easier games that Dyche tends to struggle in. My issue with Moyes is the timing. I still think his sacking from West Ham is relatively fresh and I'm not sure we will get the best version of Moyes right now, he's getting a bit older too, is the appetite really there now for a relegation scrap? Maybe but not guaranteed.

Potter is the other option, but the more I think about him, how good exactly is he? When he left Brighton they seemed to improve so was he actually holding them back? He was poor at Chelsea too and did he really do much at Swansea? Is he the right character for a tough job like ours? I'm not sure, it's a big risk really. If he was to come in and lose a few would it all get too much for him?

I think keeping Dyche would be the safest option but he needs to be backed strongly in this window in the exact areas that we need. If you remember right we actually look a lot more attractive to watch when irigboenum was playing but that players lack of defensive awareness put paid to that idea. It's not as though Dyche isn't capable of better football, he's just fearful of how with what's available it's a less efficient practice to use.

He does clearly have his faults Dyche, the stats are damning but crucially he is still in 16th in the league with a game in hand. He probably is the safest bet but the squad drastically needs improvement, I'm talking 3 or 4 ready to go players in the door. The right wing is not good enough, neither option is helping the team at all. The strikers need service. A more productive left back could be beneficial.

I think this is where I am at the moment.

I originally thought he has to go, but I actually think if given better resources he's the safest bet. But at the same time the owners need to give him the carrot of saying if you succeed and the signs are promising then you could earn a new contract. Because for a manager to stay who knows he will be sacked is also a massive negative as subconsciously you won't get the best out of them.

Fly in the ointment to a lot of that mate is he's off in a few months, and his players, half of which aren't invested in Everton next season, are also off.

Small margins down there, that doesn't help and when you think of recruitment - how many are going to want to sign for a manager who they know is leaving a few months later?

TFG have to back or sack him.
 
This idea that we can only recruit a manager out of work is hangover from the kenwright moshiri era.

I am not sure why people think a manager wouldn't leave their current job to come here?

A manager leaving now to come here gets the following

1. New owners / new era
2. New stadium to move to
3. Due to player contacts, a new project they can build.

We can absolutely go and get our first choice manager if we wanted to. The only reason why we couldn't before was because our shortlist used to only be exclusive to either in a prem job or out of work only.

Of course that is possible, it's the question who you want to get. Outside the prem there are many good candidates surely willing to join an exciting project in the most attractive league in the world.

If it's someone within the prem like Iraola or Frank that I see as valid candidates. They won't come mid season to join Everton from clubs in a better situation currently. They get a lot out of their club, but also they have a smaller ceiling by nature and might be convinced to join a club with more financial possibilities and higher wage for themselves. I think they are rather more realistic to get in summer.
 
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I've been thinking about this a lot since the Bournemouth game. Originally I believed that match was Dyches last chance. He lost it and it was a poor display.

However I'm starting to think that if we could just provide Dyche with a couple new players, then I believe he will keep us up. And if he finishes the season more stylishly and gets up the xg and goals while keeping the xg against as it is then he could still lead us forward.

When thinking of alternatives to him, Moyes is by far the safest option as he knows the club, will have been watching all Everton games so will know their strengths and weaknesses and has a very strong track record and is perhaps an upgrade on Dyche in that he would do better in the easier games that Dyche tends to struggle in. My issue with Moyes is the timing. I still think his sacking from West Ham is relatively fresh and I'm not sure we will get the best version of Moyes right now, he's getting a bit older too, is the appetite really there now for a relegation scrap? Maybe but not guaranteed.

Potter is the other option, but the more I think about him, how good exactly is he? When he left Brighton they seemed to improve so was he actually holding them back? He was poor at Chelsea too and did he really do much at Swansea? Is he the right character for a tough job like ours? I'm not sure, it's a big risk really. If he was to come in and lose a few would it all get too much for him?

I think keeping Dyche would be the safest option but he needs to be backed strongly in this window in the exact areas that we need. If you remember right we actually look a lot more attractive to watch when irigboenum was playing but that players lack of defensive awareness put paid to that idea. It's not as though Dyche isn't capable of better football, he's just fearful of how with what's available it's a less efficient practice to use.

He does clearly have his faults Dyche, the stats are damning but crucially he is still in 16th in the league with a game in hand. He probably is the safest bet but the squad drastically needs improvement, I'm talking 3 or 4 ready to go players in the door. The right wing is not good enough, neither option is helping the team at all. The strikers need service. A more productive left back could be beneficial.

I think this is where I am at the moment.

I originally thought he has to go, but I actually think if given better resources he's the safest bet. But at the same time the owners need to give him the carrot of saying if you succeed and the signs are promising then you could earn a new contract. Because for a manager to stay who knows he will be sacked is also a massive negative as subconsciously you won't get the best out of them.
You lost me at if he keeps us up he can lead us going forward
 

I've been thinking about this a lot since the Bournemouth game. Originally I believed that match was Dyches last chance. He lost it and it was a poor display.

However I'm starting to think that if we could just provide Dyche with a couple new players, then I believe he will keep us up. And if he finishes the season more stylishly and gets up the xg and goals while keeping the xg against as it is then he could still lead us forward.

When thinking of alternatives to him, Moyes is by far the safest option as he knows the club, will have been watching all Everton games so will know their strengths and weaknesses and has a very strong track record and is perhaps an upgrade on Dyche in that he would do better in the easier games that Dyche tends to struggle in. My issue with Moyes is the timing. I still think his sacking from West Ham is relatively fresh and I'm not sure we will get the best version of Moyes right now, he's getting a bit older too, is the appetite really there now for a relegation scrap? Maybe but not guaranteed.

Potter is the other option, but the more I think about him, how good exactly is he? When he left Brighton they seemed to improve so was he actually holding them back? He was poor at Chelsea too and did he really do much at Swansea? Is he the right character for a tough job like ours? I'm not sure, it's a big risk really. If he was to come in and lose a few would it all get too much for him?

I think keeping Dyche would be the safest option but he needs to be backed strongly in this window in the exact areas that we need. If you remember right we actually look a lot more attractive to watch when irigboenum was playing but that players lack of defensive awareness put paid to that idea. It's not as though Dyche isn't capable of better football, he's just fearful of how with what's available it's a less efficient practice to use.

He does clearly have his faults Dyche, the stats are damning but crucially he is still in 16th in the league with a game in hand. He probably is the safest bet but the squad drastically needs improvement, I'm talking 3 or 4 ready to go players in the door. The right wing is not good enough, neither option is helping the team at all. The strikers need service. A more productive left back could be beneficial.

I think this is where I am at the moment.

I originally thought he has to go, but I actually think if given better resources he's the safest bet. But at the same time the owners need to give him the carrot of saying if you succeed and the signs are promising then you could earn a new contract. Because for a manager to stay who knows he will be sacked is also a massive negative as subconsciously you won't get the best out of them.

No way his system of playing will not change, he will still go for the 0 - 0 wins.

PS, the game in hand is the Derby match !
 
Fly in the ointment to a lot of that mate is he's off in a few months, and his players, half of which aren't invested in Everton next season, are also off.

Small margins down there, that doesn't help and when you think of recruitment - how many are going to want to sign for a manager who they know is leaving a few months later?

TFG have to back or sack him.
Spot on. If they sack him now - after proving he can keep the club up with consecutive relegation fights AND point deductions, it’s mental and Moshiri level lack of understanding.

CEO appointment, DoF, new manager, new players it’s a lot to achieve but the ducks are in a row for them so it.

Ashworth can start right away if they chose to, a new manager loads available, 12 players leaving. I’d keep Thellwell until the players leave and handed over the list of targets.
 
No way his system of playing will not change, he will still go for the 0 - 0 wins.

PS, the game in hand is the Derby match !

His mentality will absolutely be if we pick up 1 ppg from now until the end of the season we’ll finish on 34 points and cross our fingers that that’s enough. Him staying for the rest of the season is simply not an option.
 
You are aware we're losing money hand over fist once transfers are excluded ?
We aren't now? The whole 777 thing was for them to pay the running costs every month, we have been pretty much running at cost for the past 18 months, or at least since we knew we were in trouble.

Plus the new sponsors coming in, the naming rights for the stadium, the balancing of the books through the takeover, we are financially stable now.
 

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