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2024/25 Sean Dyche

Five more years. FIVE MORE YEARS.

#DycheSigns
Well, if the ownership doesn't change, that would likely be a very pragmatic approach for the club to take.

People really need to open their eyes. The club has been a bin fire for the last number of years. This fella has come in and done his job - well, actually, in general. He's certainly not started this season well, but there are glimmers that we can stay afloat. I'm all for Nil Satis on the pitch. I'll be demanding it with the other pitch-forkers as soon as I see Nil Satis in the boardroom.
 
more with your dramatic opener “ the inconvenient truth” and the other fella is making Psst noises while he’s typing

If you want to pick people up on being over dramatic there is more than enough to go on in this thread.

There was one person saying he hoped we’d lose to Palace so that a manger who will almost certainly be going in the summer could go earlier. One yesterday claimed that anyone supporting Dyche had the motivation of relegating Everton and destroying the club.
 
Well, if the ownership doesn't change, that would likely be a very pragmatic approach for the club to take.

People really need to open their eyes. The club has been a bin fire for the last number of years. This fella has come in and done his job - well, actually, in general. He's certainly not started this season well, but there are glimmers that we can stay afloat. I'm all for Nil Satis on the pitch. I'll be demanding it with the other pitch-forkers as soon as I see Nil Satis in the boardroom.

Managers roughly finish in line with squad quality (unless you’re absolutely terrible)

If Everton want to win the league, give a manager a squad capable of winning the league.

If you give a manager a squad that is perhaps 12th, 13th, 14th best in the league, you can’t really be shocked when they return a league placing akin to this. Might finish a bit higher in a good season, might finish a bit lower in a bad season, but fundamentally the league position is not going to stray too far from the squad quality position.

The obvious answer to all of this is to significantly improve the squad quality but apart from a few windows under Moshiri (which were wasted) we’ve basically operated a sell to buy policy since about 1996.

If this doesn’t change nothing will change.
 

No one should ever get a pass - everyone is accountable, but the vast majority of this forum in the poll last year viewed survival as a realistic goal.

Most are saying now we are a mid table team - expectations have been raised, informed I'm sure on a non-deduction finish of what 11th or so - its logical to conclude therefore that the manager has actually raised expectations - if a manager is doing that, that's evidance of a good job.

Mix that in, with the context of the club and how its being run financially, we posted a £90 mill + loss in our last set of accounts, continue to asset strip and have negative net spends per window.

One thing doesn't match the other.

Just a few quotes from his 23/24 thread. Soz it looks a bit messy, but thread is closed, so no quote function.

"Dyche has only one objective, maintain PL status until we get to BMD.It won't be pretty but if he gets a creative wide player and striker I'm confident that he will achieve it." - @jazzy


"Dyche ball at BMD?" - "If it means we're still in the PL, well you'd have to look long and hard before turning that deal down - Me? I'd snap your arm off!" - @degsy

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"Dyche > Lampard? - incrementally yes
Dyche > Benitez - hugely yes?
Dyche > BFS? certainly!
Dyche > anyone else we could get? - absolutely not!

He is a good manager with a very low ceiling. Never going to have us challenging for Europe but hopefully wont let us go down. Our standards have fallen so much since the heady days of Carlo and James..." - @Charles Hawtrey

"Whether you’re a fan of him or not he deserves huge credit for keeping his head while a weaker character would have lost theirs. He has took some big blows but he always remains level headed in adversity. He deserves a bit more respect in my opinion." - @Sheedy's right knee.

"Cannot underestimate any result under such pressure.

He has to deal with circumstances unknown to any Everton manager, past or future.

Come on Sean, create that story for us." - @brieverton

"Well good that Dyche has managed to paper over the cracks. I mean we seemingly havent got any money to fix the cracks that everyone knows are there. All the previous managers had left the cracks exposed for all to take advantage off. Kudos to Dyche!" - @Cjplennon

"Nice one for making us a hard to beat, organised side, Dyche lad." @NathDogg

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"Because long-term, one would hope, we will be looking to play a more expansive game, assuming that the financial problems are sorted. I just don't see Dyche being able to attract the type of players that we would want long term, once we are at the new stadium and hopefully have a stable ownership. For now however and for the next couple of seasons I think he is the best hope we have of consolidating. I suppose it will depend on the ambition level of the people who take over from 777, should they manage to buy us and keep us afloat.

So as I said short term yes, medium term perhaps, long term, not if we have ambitions of having a team fit to grace the new stadium." - @roy vernon
 
Tbh mate, if they were serious about keeping him, they'd almost certainly have extended his contract. That they haven't, tells me they want their own man, which is fair enough. Probably best all round that we start with a clean slate going into BMD.
You may well be right but at the moment they can't do anything ad they don't own the club yet.
It will be after the takeover is ratified that we will begin to see their plans unfold.
 
There’s been a bit of back and forth on here so just to recap….Supporters wanting more than Dyche can offer are ‘Cry Babies’ and people saying if he achieves stability and safety that should be enough given the ‘skip fire’ that the club has been are ‘Dyche Fan Boys’.

What an incredibly intellectual and mature debate 😂
 
You may well be right but at the moment they can't do anything ad they don't own the club yet.
It will be after the takeover is ratified that we will begin to see their plans unfold.
If the deal looks like a definite goer, I think the potential new owners would ensure the manager was tied down to a new deal, if they actually wanted him.
 

Managers roughly finish in line with squad quality (unless you’re absolutely terrible)

If Everton want to win the league, give a manager a squad capable of winning the league.

If you give a manager a squad that is perhaps 12th, 13th, 14th best in the league, you can’t really be shocked when they return a league placing akin to this. Might finish a bit higher in a good season, might finish a bit lower in a bad season, but fundamentally the league position is not going to stray too far from the squad quality position.

The obvious answer to all of this is to significantly improve the squad quality but apart from a few windows under Moshiri (which were wasted) we’ve basically operated a sell to buy policy since about 1996.

If this doesn’t change nothing will change.
Agree with this .

My point would be it’s the managers job to get the absolute maximum out the side/squad . Like him or loath him, I’m the latter , klopp did at the RS. Various Chelsea managers haven’t , in the Prem that Luton lad probably did and we could go through the league .


So my question is given it’s obvious weakness Is Dyche getting the very best out of the squad ? I’m wholly convinced he is and is the answer is no he’s underperforming and is legitimately under pressure .

I say all this with the caveat that he’s had a tough run behind the scenes but this year he’s hardly pulling up any trees.
 
You would think so reading some of the posts on here since that 0 - 0 draw at home and 2 shots on goal.
Its madness. I dont hate Dyche or anything, but the way he talks down all expectations constantly to make himself look better(thats how it comes off imo at least) makes me sick. What was the stat, hes won 4 games in august ever? Yet he doesnt change how he does preseason? Its antipragmatic and doesnt point to the man thinking about new solutions, just sticking to what he knows.
 
Agree with this .

My point would be it’s the managers job to get the absolute maximum out the side/squad . Like him or loath him, I’m the latter , klopp did at the RS. Various Chelsea managers haven’t , in the Prem that Luton lad probably did and we could go through the league .


So my question is given it’s obvious weakness Is Dyche getting the very best out of the squad ? I’m wholly convinced he is and is the answer is no he’s underperforming and is legitimately under pressure .

I say all this with the caveat that he’s had a tough run behind the scenes but this year he’s hardly pulling up any trees.

It depends on your opinion of the squad quality. There’s some people who think it’s a relegation squad, there’s some who think it’s lower mid table, there’s some who think it’s irrelevant.

I’ve said many times I think it’s somewhere 12-16th probably about 13th if I had to be exact just behind Palace.

In 22/23 I think we had the 2nd worst squad in the league so I think Dyche’s ppg to get us to safety was an overachievement on the squad quality

In 23/24 I think we had 14th or 15th best squad, maybe tied in with Bournemouth and Wolves but behind Fulham Brighton and Palace. To finish 12th effectively without the deduction I think was a slight over achievement on the squad quality.

This season as I said I think 13th is about par. It’s been a rough start so we’ll have to make up some ground somewhere else but when people call out a massive underperformance I just don’t see it for a whole season against the quality of the squad unless people think this squad is significantly better in the quality rankings vis-à-vis every other team in the league.

I’d be a bit disappointed if we finished lower than 13th (unless we’re missing key players through injury long term), I’d be surprised if we finished much higher than it though.
 

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