2024/25 Sean Dyche

[CielosGrises]

Wouldn't surprise me if he goes 3 at the back for a number of these games.

Harrison - Tarkowski - Holgate - Keane - Myko


Otherwise it'll he'll stick Holgate at right back and watch him get trounced by the likes of Son or Bobby De Cordova-Reid for 70 minutes before changing it up.

There is only one outcome putting Holgate at right-back in a conventional 4 - we may as well skip the game and hand them the points.

3-5-1 seems approp.

 

[Toffeelover]

Long story short, whoever manages that squad is going to struggle with the lack of pace and guile, unless some serious money is spent. A new manager isn't going to make players significantly quicker, or suddenly find a bit of guile in players who've barely shown any their entire career. Then without each of those you're back to percentage football.

I think if we had some one else in at least there maybe new ideas.

 

[CielosGrises]

Long story short, whoever manages that squad is going to struggle with the lack of pace and guile, unless some serious money is spent. A new manager isn't going to make players significantly quicker, or suddenly find a bit of guile in players who've barely shown any their entire career. Then without each of those you're back to percentage football.

Only Lampard of the last 4 managers has done anything but sit deep and counter.

 

[Goodisongang]

That was when we had the best manager possibly of all time managing James Rodriguez, Richarlison, Siggurdson, Allan, Iwobi Bernard, Digne, Mina, Gomes, Kean, Walcott.

Its of absolutely no relation to the current reality of the players we have, and in case people aren’t aware, Sean Dyche is not as good as Carlo Ancelotti, barely anyone is.

So if Carlo is finishing 10th with those players, what are you expecting from a lesser manager who doesn’t have any of those players and the club had instead given him McNeil, Harrison, Doucoure, Gueye, Garner, Mykolenko etc.

We can debate managers all day, but aside from Pickford Branthwaite and maybe Garner and DCL (when fit), (new signings excluded) there’s no player that any team in the top 6 would buy for their squad.

I agree btw, but if you read all the original posts I never brought up ancelotti, the boss man did. I was just replying to the point being made

 

[Lobworm]

I think if we had some one else in at least there maybe new ideas.

I'm not putting you on the spot here, or picking a nark... but with what we have currently, what ideas? What could they do differently? Maybe all the new lads can figure really positively? Time will tell, but after that... it's just a variation of the same old slow, slow, stop.

 

[JimmyK]

Long story short, whoever manages that squad is going to struggle with the lack of pace and guile, unless some serious money is spent. A new manager isn't going to make players significantly quicker, or suddenly find a bit of guile in players who've barely shown any their entire career. Then without each of those you're back to percentage football.

People will tell you they would be fine with us losing every week if we were trying to play football but I think Martinez Silva and Lampard would tell you they're talking arsebiscuits.

 

[degsy]

We literally just bought a few better players in the summer mate and he didn't play them.

Makes me wonder if Dyche and Thewell even talk to each other about what players are best to sign for the team

 

[Toffeelover]

I'm not putting you on the spot here, or picking a nark... but with what we have currently, what ideas? What could they do differently? Maybe all the new lads can figure really positively? Time will tell, but after that... it's just a variation of the same old slow, slow, stop.

Give some of our younger players a go instead of Young, Keane or Doucs.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I agree btw, but if you read all the original posts I never brought up ancelotti, the boss man did. I was just replying to the point being made

You mentioned Pep.

I said we had Ancelotti with a better Everton team still only get us midtable - and we should have been 12th last season.

Ancelotti would struggle with this team.

The point is managers in any walk of life can only work with that they have - managers, manage their resource.

I think someone said on here Burnley Mk 2 that's us.

Yep.

We're as bad as they ever were.

Dyche kept them in the league for a long time, spending absolute buttons.

They brought Kompany in who spent more in one summer than he did in about 7 years. Not sure they improved.

Long story short, whoever manages that squad is going to struggle with the lack of pace and guile, unless some serious money is spent. A new manager isn't going to make players significantly quicker, or suddenly find a bit of guile in players who've barely shown any their entire career. Then without each of those you're back to percentage football.

Exactly.

Only Lampard of the last 4 managers has done anything but sit deep and counter.

He did. He nearly sent us down with a better team than we have now - Richarlison/Gordon/Iwobi - say what you like, all walk into this team. Thank god he saw sense, through his own admission late in his first season. He then reverted to type, an was sending us down again because of it.

We don't have to like the way Everton play, but we can at least accept the reality of the squad we have.

 

[Jeff Jones]

Always bangs on about having 10 years PL experience and then gets absolutely schooled by a manager younger than me on his first day.

Rubbish. It wasn't a contest between the managers. Brighton's players were just better than Everton's over most of the match.
Neither manager had any influence or control over the other.

 

[billyblue80]

Is the club a mess off the field that hampers progress? Yes
Is our squad lacking because of the financial debts above? Yes
Has Dyche done decently cutting his cloth in the main and making us hard to beat/grinding out enough points for survival/lower mid table? Yes
Are his tactics one dimensional? Yes
Does he pick his favourites regardless of form? Yes.


All of these things can be true at once. I don't want him sacked right now but he has to be better, and I certainly don't want him as manager long term.

He also needs to realise that playing Michael Keane and Ashley Young in 2024 is asking for trouble. As is ignoring new signings on the first day of the season when as fans we have witnessed three or four seasons of struggle. We want SOMETHING to excited about or have hope for on the first day of the season not more of the same and a team that looks way off the mark with a preseason that hasn't prepared them.

 

[MikeH72]

Rubbish. It wasn't a contest between the managers. Brighton's players were just better than Everton's over most of the match.
Neither manager had any influence or control over the other.

Why do we even bother having managers then? Why don’t clubs just buy players and throw them on the football pitch and whoever’s better will win. What an absolutely bizarre thing to say.

 

[Lobworm]

Give some of our younger players a go instead of Young, Keane or Doucs.

Fair suggestion. If they are good enough to address the issues, week in week out, they should play. If they were ready though, I do believe we would have seen them, in part, already.

Dyche knows and trusts his own methods, they did very well for us last season, given our predicament. He has players who he also trusts, with his methods.
Eg I reckon he believes Doucs will score a couple of winners a year, so he picks him on that basis, regardless of the weak areas of his game, as he sees him as being worth 9 or 12 points, or whatever. He knows Young was an integral part of the 4th best defence last season, so he picks him... Keane, barely played last year, though the stats posted on here were shocking, one can only assume Dyche doesn't think the new lad is ready....

I think trying some younger players (and the new signings) and even optimistically assuming one or two actually become starters, that still won't really address the serious lack of depth, pace and guile we have. It needs a total overhaul tbh.

 

[Delargeinho]

You mentioned Pep.

I said we had Ancelotti with a better Everton team still only get us midtable - and we should have been 12th last season.

Ancelotti would struggle with this team.

The point is managers in any walk of life can only work with that they have - managers, manage their resource.



Yep.

We're as bad as they ever were.

Dyche kept them in the league for a long time, spending absolute buttons.

They brought Kompany in who spent more in one summer than he did in about 7 years. Not sure they improved.



Exactly.



He did. He nearly sent us down with a better team than we have now - Richarlison/Gordon/Iwobi - say what you like, all walk into this team. Thank god he saw sense, through his own admission late in his first season. He then reverted to type, an was sending us down again because of it.

We don't have to like the way Everton play, but we can at least accept the reality of the squad we have.

Tbf, I think Burnley looked way more competitive every season under Dyche on prem level and I had more fear losing points against them than under Kompany. Dyche has 6 wins, 1 draw and 7 losses against Everton. I was pretty hyped seeing them under Kompany, but 24 points is one worst output of any teams ever. Not that they had a good team, but a far better team than Sheffield and Luton. Maybe they invested too much in talent, instead of a first league proven players and talent.

They lost 3x vs us, ok the 1:0 win at Goodison was shocking football, but still they had the ball and didn't manage to create anything. It's not the solution either.

 

[pfim]

Why do we even bother having managers then? Why don’t clubs just buy players and throw them on the football pitch and whoever’s better will win. What an absolutely bizarre thing to say.

The key moments in the game, especially defensively, were player mistakes. Nothing tactical.

Having said that, we desperately need a better player in the 10 spot. And one of the new guys has to be given a shot there to start. I don't think you even need to change tactics, someone like Ndiaye (who is a reclamation project) will naturally change the way we advance the ball forward.