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2024/25 Sean Dyche

GrandOldTeam said:
Yes, absolutely relegation fodder.

A team that's averaged 41 points for the last 3 seasons, relying on final home games in 2 of them 3 seasons without spending a bean is relegation fodder.

Even last season, with our points given back we didn't hit 40 points until 33/34 games.

We had a great run of form in the run in but this was 16th April;



^ And that was optimistic. Check the replies...

We started this season 4th favourite to go down and that factored in a Leicester deduction.

Any team in successive relegation rights who don't spend are relegation fodder until they aren't.

It's not about Dyche, I said the same thing before he was ever manager and I'll say the same if he leaves tomorrow.

Ultimately, this team aren't good enough.
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NO!!

Its the managers that are relegation fodder
 
JLW said:
NO!!

Its the managers that are relegation fodder
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As I said before;

Dyche's style contributes to it, but the issue was before him and an inability to score enough goals will continue because, McNeil, Doucoure, Harrison, Lindstrom, NDiaye, Beto, Calvert-Lewin... am I missing anyone? with wingers like Mykolenko and Young are never going to score the goals we need to stay away from the bottom.
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Can't believe any manager gets Mykolenko to start whipping balls in to get his first Premier League assist in nearly 80 games. Or find McNeil, Doucoure, Lindstrom or any combination of attack to start scoring the goals they've never done to the level we need in their careers.
 
People want the seductive simple solution: get rid of the manager and all will be well.

But while getting rid of the manager is essential, it's not the whole solution sadly. The players are simply not good enough in the medium term to play for an ambitious club with standards. They are the detritus of multiple failed managerial reigns that existed in an era of epic failure. A new squad is required. It can't happen overnight, but it must start in January. The days of sitting out entire windows must end now.
 

Adscum said:
Was listening the other day to Gavin Buckland talking about his new book recounting our decline from the mid 80s to the start of the Premier League.

I'm in my late 30s so don't remember this period myself but it affected me listening to him speak about how big an institution we were and how high our standards were under John Moores.

Yesterday we got absolutely humiliated 4-0 by an ordinary mid table team that didn't even play well. We haven't scored since October. We've won seven games since New Year's Day and it's December. We've scored 12 goals from open play in a calendar year.

And 'Mr Chairman' worshipper Darren Griffiths used the following, verbatim, as his questions to the manager:
  • Sean, for the first half hour we were really in that game.
  • Your team talk just goes out the window doesn't it, when you concede a goal after 20 seconds when you kick off.
  • You know it's not your day when Jarrad and "Tarky" are both making errors that lead to goals because usually you'd put your house on them.
  • Start of a big week, how do you lift them now Sean?
I know he's a company man but I'm absolutely ashamed on his behalf. Imagine serving up that pathetic round of softball excuses under the guise of interviewing a failing manager on behalf of the fans.

Notwithstanding the fact that only one of them is actually a question and the others are just telling us what HIS opinion is - JUST HOW LOW ARE OUR STANDARDS? At what point does this manager have to answer ANY difficult questions?

I'm not talking about falling out with him or being aggressive, confrontational - of course not. Just park the club propaganda and ask him to explain himself, the selection, the results, our form. His replies wouldn't be any different, but at least the fans - who are the audience for the video - feel that he's been mildly challenged and scrutinised on their behalf.

Sadly this just shows you how deep the rot is in our culture as an organisation and how much of a battle it's going to be to ever get back anywhere near the top, because the club is full of snivelling, fan-hating yes men desperate to be liked and accepted by footballers and managers.
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Superb post mate
 
GrandOldTeam said:
As I said before;



Can't believe any manager gets Mykolenko to start whipping balls in to get his first Premier League assist in nearly 80 games. Or find McNeil, Doucoure, Lindstrom or any combination of attack to start scoring the goals they've never done to the level we need in their careers.
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We seen what happens yesterday when Mykolenko gets beyond his man... Nothing, apart from not having the recovery pace.

I was surprised the manager went with the press at times yesterday. Though saying that, it worked to a degree until the opener. Amazed we didn't just play the way everybody hates and get 10 men behind the ball. It certainly suits the full backs better.
 
Forgetting Dyche for a second here (and I’ve not seen anyone defend him for a long time - who are these ‘Dychettes’?!) - is anyone still f’ing defending these players?!

We’ve been in and amongst relegation battles over a period of 5/6 years, any quality we get we inevitably lose.

Who the hell is defending our full backs, midfield and wide options?!

Our centre backs and strikers (and Pickford) are probably mid table passable but everywhere else is woeful.

Starting to wonder if anyone watches any other games than ours and just assumes our lads are mid table quality… got some really bad news for you.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
So in August when I was saying NDiaye and Lindstrom, on the back of terrible seasons for them, who hadn't played in the top flight wouldn't be enough...

We scored 40 goals last season. 0 teams survived who scored less. Only Sheff Utd in the league scored less.
We scored 34 goals in 22/23. Only 1 team who survived scored less. Wolves. They finished 41 points.
We scored 43 goals in 21/22. Only 1 team who survived scored less. Leeds. They finished 38 points.

Dyche's style contributes to it, but the issue was before him and an inability to score enough goals will continue because, McNeil, Doucoure, Harrison, Lindstrom, NDiaye, Beto, Calvert-Lewin... am I missing anyone? with wingers like Mykolenko and Young are never going to score the goals we need to stay away from the bottom.
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I don't expect them all to suddenly start banging in 10 goals a season but we don't need them to do that either, we just need them all to chip in with at least c. 5 each which they are all capable of and Dyche absolutely limits. The man does not know how to set up a team to attack or play with any patterns in the final third. He cares only about getting a clean sheet and leaving the attacking players to figure it out to score.

Throwing out the same tired lines of we have players who don't score isn't it because we have seen in football how different players can thrive and not thrive under different managers.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
As I said before;



Can't believe any manager gets Mykolenko to start whipping balls in to get his first Premier League assist in nearly 80 games. Or find McNeil, Doucoure, Lindstrom or any combination of attack to start scoring the goals they've never done to the level we need in their careers.
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What another manager can do though mate is getting them in areas further up the pitch to at least to support the attack.

Myko is by no means Digne but he is better than what he's showing like almost every player right now.
They are completely void of confidence
The defence defends for almost 90% of the game because we concede possession
The forwards feed of not even scraps
The midfield gets bypassed

How are we meant to get players in form or get them confident on the ball when we dont have it.
He doesnt even know how to engage the crowd at goodison by being on the front foot for more than 10 mins.

If you have no pace in the team then you cant play counter attack which is what we are trying to do, defend then break.
We play long ball but dont get men around DCL for the knock downs
Its completely useless what he's doing
 

Adscum said:
Was listening the other day to Gavin Buckland talking about his new book recounting our decline from the mid 80s to the start of the Premier League.

I'm in my late 30s so don't remember this period myself but it affected me listening to him speak about how big an institution we were and how high our standards were under John Moores.

Yesterday we got absolutely humiliated 4-0 by an ordinary mid table team that didn't even play well. We haven't scored since October. We've won seven games since New Year's Day and it's December. We've scored 12 goals from open play in a calendar year.

And 'Mr Chairman' worshipper Darren Griffiths used the following, verbatim, as his questions to the manager:
  • Sean, for the first half hour we were really in that game.
  • Your team talk just goes out the window doesn't it, when you concede a goal after 20 seconds when you kick off.
  • You know it's not your day when Jarrad and "Tarky" are both making errors that lead to goals because usually you'd put your house on them.
  • Start of a big week, how do you lift them now Sean?
I know he's a company man but I'm absolutely ashamed on his behalf. Imagine serving up that pathetic round of softball excuses under the guise of interviewing a failing manager on behalf of the fans.

Notwithstanding the fact that only one of them is actually a question and the others are just telling us what HIS opinion is - JUST HOW LOW ARE OUR STANDARDS? At what point does this manager have to answer ANY difficult questions?

I'm not talking about falling out with him or being aggressive, confrontational - of course not. Just park the club propaganda and ask him to explain himself, the selection, the results, our form. His replies wouldn't be any different, but at least the fans - who are the audience for the video - feel that he's been mildly challenged and scrutinised on their behalf.

Sadly this just shows you how deep the rot is in our culture as an organisation and how much of a battle it's going to be to ever get back anywhere near the top, because the club is full of snivelling, fan-hating yes men desperate to be liked and accepted by footballers and managers.
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Blob on.

The key word this season seems to be 'standards' and just how much they've fallen at this club in recent years and has been compounded under Dyche's regime.

If the Friedkin's don't absolutely tear through this club with a scythe from day dot then you fear that it would eventually infect them as well.

Huge period in this club's history on the horizon. Gut the whole lot - siphon the rot.
 

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