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2024/25 Sean Dyche

Adscum said:
Was listening the other day to Gavin Buckland talking about his new book recounting our decline from the mid 80s to the start of the Premier League.

I'm in my late 30s so don't remember this period myself but it affected me listening to him speak about how big an institution we were and how high our standards were under John Moores.

Yesterday we got absolutely humiliated 4-0 by an ordinary mid table team that didn't even play well. We haven't scored since October. We've won seven games since New Year's Day and it's December. We've scored 12 goals from open play in a calendar year.

And 'Mr Chairman' worshipper Darren Griffiths used the following, verbatim, as his questions to the manager:
  • Sean, for the first half hour we were really in that game.
  • Your team talk just goes out the window doesn't it, when you concede a goal after 20 seconds when you kick off.
  • You know it's not your day when Jarrad and "Tarky" are both making errors that lead to goals because usually you'd put your house on them.
  • Start of a big week, how do you lift them now Sean?
I know he's a company man but I'm absolutely ashamed on his behalf. Imagine serving up that pathetic round of softball excuses under the guise of interviewing a failing manager on behalf of the fans.

Notwithstanding the fact that only one of them is actually a question and the others are just telling us what HIS opinion is - JUST HOW LOW ARE OUR STANDARDS? At what point does this manager have to answer ANY difficult questions?

I'm not talking about falling out with him or being aggressive, confrontational - of course not. Just park the club propaganda and ask him to explain himself, the selection, the results, our form. His replies wouldn't be any different, but at least the fans - who are the audience for the video - feel that he's been mildly challenged and scrutinised on their behalf.

Sadly this just shows you how deep the rot is in our culture as an organisation and how much of a battle it's going to be to ever get back anywhere near the top, because the club is full of snivelling, fan-hating yes men desperate to be liked and accepted by footballers and managers.
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Everton have been ran like a local pub side since the early 90s. Jobs for mates everywhere you look. It’s embarrassing.
 
JLW said:
To get us out of the mess as a whole it is more than just the manager i agree and i think every single fan agrees.

To get us away from potential relegation with the current squad then just a half decent manager would do that, and im 100% certain this will be proved once its done.

When i say away from it i mean most of the season being 8-9 points (Breathing space) away from it with also going in to the games with at least the hope of winning every game we play.
I believe this squad with the right manager is good enough for that, then we build from there.

I dont think Potter would work here, i think he is a slow burner and im not sure we have the patience for that.
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After years of sweating relegation - we'll all be nervous even if 8-9 points clear.

I think we're relegation candidates until we hit 40 points.

A new manager might get us a few places higher, or lower. But I think this team is on its arse until we spend and finally resolve our chronic lack of pace and inability to score enough goals.
 
The circle jerk continues in here.

We know the players are bad, I don’t know anyone saying they aren’t. Could they perform better under a different manager?

Who knows, but you hear about how the joy returning to a United team with a new manager, that has been getting pelters all season for being so poor and abject, so my thinking is could it be any worse than what we have currently under dyche, even with a caretaker taking charge for a couple of matches? I personally doubt it.

We know we haven’t been a serious club for years under chairman bill and mosh, especially the last few years, and the problems run deep - none of that is on this manager or the ones before him, but I can also not accpet that the managers have not been bad/poor along with the players.

What I can’t fathom is this line of defence for Dyche, it’s all the club/players/net spend nonsense, when we wanted to lynch Benitez or bin Lampard for equally dismal results.

How anyone can accept what he’s delivered this season beggars belief, while being paid £5 millions pound, regardless of the issues than do run deep at club level, and the poor players we have in our squad.

People can’t be serious that it’s just the players/club/investment at fault, I feel like I’m going nuts hearing this spiel.

Yes, we know nothing will happen until the takeover goes through, but this manager is done and he has been since Bournemouth, everything else is just excuses for him.
 

NathDogg said:
The circle jerk continues in here.

We know the players are bad, I don’t know anyone saying they aren’t. Could they perform better under a different manager?

Who knows, but you hear about how the joy returning to a United team with a new manager, that has been getting pelters all season for being so poor and abject, so my thinking is could it be any worse than what we have currently under dyche, even with a caretaker taking charge for a couple of matches? I personally doubt it.

We know we haven’t been a serious club for years under chairman bill and mosh, especially the last few years, and the problems run deep - none of that is on this manager or the ones before him, but I can also not accpet that the managers have not been bad/poor along with the players.

What I can’t fathom is this line of defence for Dyche, it’s all the club/players/net spend nonsense, when we wanted to lynch Benitez or bin Lampard for equally dismal results.

How anyone can accept what he’s delivered this season beggars belief, while being paid £5 millions pound, regardless of the issues than do run deep at club level, and the poor players we have in our squad.

People can’t be serious that it’s just the players/club/investment at fault, I feel like I’m going nuts hearing this spiel.

Yes, we know nothing will happen until the takeover goes through, but this manager is done and he has been since Bournemouth, everything else is just excuses for him.
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Has anybody really been saying Dyche is blameless? Even his few diehard loyalists have been very quiet.

The manager has to go. And now. But people want to be seduced by the simple solution: change the manager and all will be well. But it won't be. There's more to it than just Dyche. Get rid of him to start the process - but this will be a long process of gutting and replacing practically an entire squad that was formed by failed managerial reigns in an era of epic failure at Everton.

Almost none of our players are fit for purpose. A few wins under a new manager - which hopefully will be what happens now over the coming six or seven weeks - cannot be allowed to mask the truth: the players are sub-standard, the symptoms of an epoch of financial mismanagement which begat a series of panicky, short-term, needs-must managerial appointments.

Burn the house down.
 
Drico said:
Has anybody really been saying Dyche is blameless? Even his few diehard loyalists have been very quiet.

The manager has to go. And now. But people want to be seduced by the simple solution: change the manager and all will be well. But it won't be. There's more to it than just Dyche. Get rid of him to start the process - but this will be a long process of gutting and replacing practically an entire squad that was formed by failed managerial reigns in an era of epic failure at Everton.

Almost none of our players are fit for purpose. A few wins under a new manager - which hopefully will be what happens now over the coming six or seven weeks - cannot be allowed to mask the truth: the players are sub-standard, the symptoms of an epoch of financial mismanagement which begat a series of panicky, short-term, needs-must managerial appointments.

Burn the house down.
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Totally agree we need scorched earth, and I’m not naive enough to know it won’t take a long time to fix, but the excuses trotted out for dyche are preposterous and starting to grate.
 
NathDogg said:
Totally agree we need scorched earth, and I’m not naive enough to know it won’t take a long time to fix, but the excuses trotted out for dyche are preposterous and starting to grate.
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People always, for some reason, nail their colours to manager's masts. But my take is always to have an opinion on their appointment, hope for the best, and support them until the penny drops that they are out of road. For me, that was the Bournemouth game with Dyche. As Carlo Ancelotti says in his book: all projects have a curve - and sometimes your project's natural life cycle ends sooner than you'd like. For Dyche, he achieved what he was asked to do when beating Forest and then Liverpool one glorious week last April. On top of the Bournemouth last-day escape, his race was run - and won. But he stayed on too long because his methods have run out of road. The players have enough - as do the fans. When he is run out of the club, then we can turn our attention to these hopeless misfit players. Not out of spite. But because we have to.
 
NathDogg said:
Totally agree we need scorched earth, and I’m not naive enough to know it won’t take a long time to fix, but the excuses trotted out for dyche are preposterous and starting to grate.
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Not seen many excuses for weeks mate.

There’s just also plenty of us who aren’t happy with the utterly shambolic squad we’ve assembled over the last 4/5 years.

Genuinely hate 95% of it. Can’t remember being this detached from an Everton team for a long time. I’ll be gutted when Branthwaite goes. Anyone else bar Pickford/N’Diaye I’ll drive them wherever they’re going.
 
SuperKev91 said:
Collective heads in the sand, can’t be that this group are all crap as well. Must just be that Dyche is a crap manager (yep, we know - we all watched him at Burnley).

It’s like some fans can’t accept that these players aren’t fit to wear the shirt either. It’s either that or they don’t watch any other games and assume that spending nearly 250m less than forest (for example) net over the last five years wouldn’t create a gap.
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Genuinely dont think anyone in here thinks we have a squad of absolute quality, aside from maybe 2 or 3 players we are way off the quality that befits this Club 100% but, what most are saying myself included is that a.n. other manager could get a better tune out of them by having them adjust the way we play, Dyche is not doing that, so therefore most of the blame has to lie in how he is coaching them.

The proof in the pudding will be if we do finally fire him and a.n. other guy, or gal comes in and we start getting better results with this squad of players, which I firmly believe we will!
 

SuperKev91 said:
Not seen many excuses for weeks mate.

There’s just also plenty of us who aren’t happy with the utterly shambolic squad we’ve assembled over the last 4/5 years.

Genuinely hate 95% of it. Can’t remember being this detached from an Everton team for a long time. I’ll be gutted when Branthwaite goes. Anyone else bar Pickford/N’Diaye I’ll drive them wherever they’re going.
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I am with you about the players, but for me they have been coached and managed backwards, and are performing below what they are capable of, which was proven last season, even with the points deduction.

Ive said previously that they are some of the worst players assembled, but do we all genuinely believe that a different manager and a more modern, flexible, tactical approach would make zero difference to how they have performed and played this season?
 
Dixieslaces said:
Genuinely dont think anyone in here thinks we have a squad of absolute quality, aside from maybe 2 or 3 players we are way off the quality that befits this Club 100% but, what most are saying myself included is that a.n. other manager could get a better tune out of them by having them adjust the way we play, Dyche is not doing that, so therefore most of the blame has to lie in how he is coaching them.

The proof in the pudding will be if we do finally fire him and a.n. other guy, or gal comes in and we start getting better results with this squad of players, which I firmly believe we will!
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Oh, I sincerely hope we do too - and think we will (new manager bounce and all that). But it won't sustain itself. These players are simply not built for consistently good performances. A new man will hopefully get enough more out of them to keep us up, but I suspect we'll need serious reinforcement in January to stay up because the current squad is not fit to wear the shirt of a genuinely ambitious and competently funded club.

Let the purge begin!
 
ArtetaMoney said:
Wouldn’t surprise me if they left him in till this run of games is over, as a new manager will be coming in to face all the best teams in the league. Better off leaving it till after Crimbo. As much as I want him gone it probably makes more sense to make him see this run of games out.
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We cant keep throwing away or conceding 3 points before a ball has been kicked, its not acceptable.

I get what your saying and it wouldnt surprise me if that was in the thinking.

The caveat to that is lets say its Manchini or whoever they want and he's interested but come the end of these fixtures we could be 4 points away from safety.
He might be like nah its not for me now to much work to be done just to get safe, then you go with a 'kin firefighter again.

It has to be done now or the latest after the Wolves game regardless of the result.
 

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