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2024/25 Sean Dyche

Toffeelover said:
If he had won the two opening games at 10 -0 would you still feel that way ?

PS only mentioned him as an example, would be better than Dyche.
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Toffeelover said:
So you would prefer to keep Dyche ?
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People said the same about Kompany too mate.

He spent more in 1 summer than Dyche spent in 7 or 8 seasons there. How did that go?

Dyche's achievement at Burnley in the Championship will surpass anything Kompany, or Parker can achieve. Especially the first promotion. And in years from now - you ask Burnley fans to name their favourite manager and it wont be Kompany or Parker.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
People said the same about Kompany too mate.

He spent more in 1 summer than Dyche spent in 7 or 8 seasons there. How did that go?

Dyche's achievement at Burnley in the Championship will surpass anything Kompany, or Parker can achieve. Especially the first promotion. And in years from now - you ask Burnley fans to name their favourite manager and it wont be Kompany or Parker.
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You will laud Dyche ?
 

GrandOldTeam said:
People said the same about Kompany too mate.

He spent more in 1 summer than Dyche spent in 7 or 8 seasons there. How did that go?

Dyche's achievement at Burnley in the Championship will surpass anything Kompany, or Parker can achieve. Especially the first promotion. And in years from now - you ask Burnley fans to name their favourite manager and it wont be Kompany or Parker.
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I get this argument completely and being objective we need to be realistic of our situation (financially and in terms of football), so Dyche fits the profile.

Nevertheless, I do think we also have to consider, rightly or wrongly, the expectations of both clubs, and I think this is where the Dyche argument starts to falter.

If he helps us ride the storm and maintain PL survival, he's done his job, but years from now if you ask Everton fans about him, what do you expect will be the view?

I really can't see Dyche ever being a favourite here, or even anywhere close, because of his rigidity (stubbornness) and his expectations in terms of football.
 
PhilM said:
I get this argument completely and being objective we need to be realistic of our situation (financially and in terms of football), so Dyche fits the profile.

Nevertheless, I do think we also have to consider, rightly or wrongly, the expectations of both clubs, and I think this is where the Dyche argument starts to falter.

If he helps us ride the storm and maintain PL survival, he's done his job, but years from now if you ask Everton fans about him, what do you expect will be the view?

I really can't see Dyche ever being a favourite here, or even anywhere close, because of his rigidity (stubbornness) and his expectations in terms of football.
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no and i don't think he wants to be. I just don't think it bothers him.
 
PhilM said:
I get this argument completely and being objective we need to be realistic of our situation (financially and in terms of football), so Dyche fits the profile.

Nevertheless, I do think we also have to consider, rightly or wrongly, the expectations of both clubs, and I think this is where the Dyche argument starts to falter.

If he helps us ride the storm and maintain PL survival, he's done his job, but years from now if you ask Everton fans about him, what do you expect will be the view?

I really can't see Dyche ever being a favourite here, or even anywhere close, because of his rigidity (stubbornness) and his expectations in terms of football.
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Well, the context of the debate was vs Parker/Burnley. Because... Parker won a few games for Burnley in the Championship and looks... trendy? It's a bizarre shout IMO. People did the same with Kompany, as I said. The natural response then is to compare to Dyche's Burnley.

But to answer your question - time will be kind to Dyche. He's a lightning rod now for frustration but in years to come people will recognise and appreciate the job Dyche did. They'll remember us surviving by the skin of our teeth, then having to sell to buy and point deductions and hopefully, remaining a Premier League team.

I think people either forget, or don't appreciate just how close we come to doing a Sunderland or Leeds.
 
Stuartisitc1878 said:
no and i don't think he wants to be. I just don't think it bothers him.
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And to be fair, I do not have an issue with that to some extent as long as he's doing the job he's expected, to the best of his ability.

It's like when Big Sam was here and the criticism he got, yet objectively he did a pretty darn good even if the football was dour: Ronseal comes to mind.

My biggest grumble with Dyche is that he talks about xG, chances and progressive football, whereas he doesn't use the opportunities available to him to develop.
 
Oh, and a question back @PhilM

On this point;

PhilM said:
I really can't see Dyche ever being a favourite here, or even anywhere close, because of his rigidity (stubbornness) and his expectations in terms of football.
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From every Everton Premier League Manager - create a table of who you think, from all our managers, all considered, did the best with what they had. Where's Dyche?
 

PhilM said:
I get this argument completely and being objective we need to be realistic of our situation (financially and in terms of football), so Dyche fits the profile.

Nevertheless, I do think we also have to consider, rightly or wrongly, the expectations of both clubs, and I think this is where the Dyche argument starts to falter.

If he helps us ride the storm and maintain PL survival, he's done his job, but years from now if you ask Everton fans about him, what do you expect will be the view?

I really can't see Dyche ever being a favourite here, or even anywhere close, because of his rigidity (stubbornness) and his expectations in terms of football.
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I see him the right man to stabilize Everton around that 45 points mark in that max 2,5 years till the end of his contract. Will leave the club in a better position then come in, pretty sure about that, but not then to take us further.

Best is to givive the club over the someone more expansive that can build on the Dyche defense, but can implement a more flexible style to this team with a few windows to get us further up season per season.
 
"Jarrad Branthwaite is still a bit away. He is not close [to a return] at the moment. A few of the lads like Seamus Coleman and James Garner are getting a bit closer. James Tarkowski has got a ‘maybe’ situation."

"We are down to about 14 recognised first-team players, so that is not perfect. But the challenge is right in front of us as always.

Sean Dyche on more signings coming in: "I think it is unlikely. We have worked hard in this market to bring in players who can grow into the club and the Premier League. We believe they are talented players.We worked very hard to get those deals done, then we have lost some players, so there is not much more wiggle room."
 

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