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2024/25 Sean Dyche

He’s lost me after that press conference.

Everyone could see that Coleman and Tim were absolutely goosed. There were players on the bench who could’ve slotted in like for like.

I’ve seen many managers throw on a centre half in the last 10 minutes to protect a 2 goal lead. Anything to get over the line.

The fact that he’s taking zero responsibility for the loss is unforgivable.
 
larrygobfiend said:
He’s lost me after that press conference.

Everyone could see that Coleman and Tim were absolutely goosed. There were players on the bench who could’ve slotted in like for like.

I’ve seen many managers throw on a centre half in the last 10 minutes to protect a 2 goal lead. Anything to get over the line.

The fact that he’s taking zero responsibility for the loss is unforgivable.
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I miss the days of bringing phil neville on with 15 minutes left to protect a one goal lead
 
blueboy72 said:
I cared about them seasons when we were in them, couldn’t care less now. Only seasons you look back on with any fondness is when we had success or had good teams near the top of the table.

Had we gone down under dyche or Lampard it is what it is, they would have been sacked and we would have had a re-set,
But I don’t think it would have been the disaster some seem to think, like
It would be the end of the club and we’d do a Sunderland, maybe it’s the dyche fan boys saying that, as it helps there argument for
Keeping him,
because survival to them is the holy grail

Villa went down for 3 years,
Probably lost over 200mil in revenue, but look at them now,
Sold grealish and got good people in and a brilliant manager. And it’s not quite job done have you looked at the table ? Dyche is on borrowed time and he knows it, avoiding the question in yesterday press conference. He won’t see this season out, I will be surprised if he here at Christmas
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You seem to have absolutely minimal understanding of our financial situation. Relegation would have been disastrous for us. Absolutely ridiculous to try and pass off the reality of that outcome as some sort of tactic for the Dyche fan boys. I’m sure that during the administration, the fire sale of all all our players for pennies on the pound, the sale of the new stadium, everyone would be really interested in how relegation was no problem to us and was a scare tactic from Dyche fan boys.
 
larrygobfiend said:
He’s lost me after that press conference.

Everyone could see that Coleman and Tim were absolutely goosed. There were players on the bench who could’ve slotted in like for like.

I’ve seen many managers throw on a centre half in the last 10 minutes to protect a 2 goal lead. Anything to get over the line.

The fact that he’s taking zero responsibility for the loss is unforgivable.
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47 times he watched it back though mate! Not once, not twice, not 46 times but 40 bloody 7 times!!
 

I dont see many people talking about it.

But what he really has to address is the mentality, focus and the attitude of the players so far this season.

They've reverted back to surrender monkeys again - its something that they have always had in them and i thought we'd stamped it out.

If im critiquing Dyche i think its surprised and disarmed him - but he needs to get on top of it and yes ALSO TAKE RESPONIBILITY FOR IT - before people make the predictable point and we go down a half hour rabbit hole. Collective responsibility.

Three games and three surrenders - Brighton, Spurs and Bournemouth - its not an anomaly its a trend.

No 1 priority for me is the focus, attitude and mentality of the players - its not good enough as professional footballers for the wages they are on.

YES ITS ALSO THE MANAGERS RESPONSIBILITY.

But im not letting the surrender monkeys off either.
 
Saint Domingo said:
You seem to have absolutely minimal understanding of our financial situation. Relegation would have been disastrous for us. Absolutely ridiculous to try and pass off the reality of that outcome as some sort of tactic for the Dyche fan boys. I’m sure that during the administration, the fire sale of all all our players for pennies on the pound, the sale of the new stadium, everyone would be really interested in how relegation was no problem to us and was a scare tactic from Dyche fan boys.
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You’re just guessing though, I heard a financial expert say, when we looked in trouble under Lampard, that we could afford to have one year in the championship. You do get 55% of the TV money first season , so what’s that a 40mil deficit ok
We’d lost some sponsorship money, gate
Money. But that summer as well as getting rid of richarlison, we probably lose Pickford, DCL, Mina, Keane etc. and we don’t pay 30mil for Onana.

You can’t look at today and say we’re 600mil in debt and 2 and half years ago had we gone down it wound have
Meant administration. That was a different time so you cut your cloth accordingly. Not great had we gone, but disastrous, no not having that
 

Neiler said:
I dont see many people talking about it.

But what he really has to address is the mentality, focus and the attitude of the players so far this season.

They've reverted back to surrender monkeys again - its something that they have always had in them and i thought we'd stamped it out.

If im critiquing Dyche i think its surprised and disarmed him - but he needs to get on top of it and yes ALSO TAKE RESPONIBILITY FOR IT - before people make the predictable point and we go down a half hour rabbit hole. Collective responsibility.

Three games and three surrenders - Brighton, Spurs and Bournemouth - its not an anomaly its a trend.

No 1 priority for me is the focus, attitude and mentality of the players - its not good enough as professional footballers for the wages they are on.

YES ITS ALSO THE MANAGERS RESPONSIBILITY.

But im not letting the surrender monkeys off either.
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The manager's response to the Bournemouth collapse bugs me way more than the result itself. A good team will have a culture of responsibility and his total unwillingness to accept any blame is the opposite of that.

EVEN IF HE DOES NOT BELIEVE any of it is his fault (which would be a failure of self-analysis) a good leader would shoulder at least SOME of the blame to take the heat off his staff and help everyone move on.

Instead his response has been cowardly and selfish, the opposite of the values a leader should demonstrate, and you can see that spinelessness demonstrated in the team he leads. If the manager is only looking out for himself why should any of his players die for the team or the cause?
 
Tony’s Carp said:
The manager's response to the Bournemouth collapse bugs me way more than the result itself. A good team will have a culture of responsibility and his total unwillingness to accept any blame is the opposite of that.

EVEN IF HE DOES NOT BELIEVE any of it is his fault (which would be a failure of self-analysis) a good leader would shoulder at least SOME of the blame to take the heat off his staff and help everyone move on.

Instead his response has been cowardly and selfish, the opposite of the values a leader should demonstrate, and you can see that spinelessness demonstrated in the team he leads. If the manager is only looking out for himself why should any of his players die for the team or the cause?
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Its not true true mate - its become a myth - he said he takes responsibility in the post match press conference and he said it again in his press conference yesterday. I dont know what people want - put him in stocks and say it to everyone individually.

I was listening to Giulia Bould on one of the podcasts during the week and she's had more access then any Journo in and around the club and to him - she talked particularly about a reflection culture amongst the management team and how much stock they put on it in self appraisal.

Obviously that has limits in terms of how much you share to the media and public and even the players in terms of self appraisal.

Its the growing mushroom theory of management in terms of a communication matrix.
 
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Neiler said:
Its not true though mate - its become a myth - he said he takes responsibility in the post match press conference and he said it again in his press conference yesterday. I dont know what people want - put him in stocks and say to everyone individually.

I was listening to Giulia Bould on one of the podcasts during the week and she's had more access then any Journo in and around the club and to him - she talked particularly about a reflection culture amongst the management and how much stock they put on it in self appraisal.

Obviously that has limits in terms of how much you share to the media and public and even the players in terms of self appraisal.

Its the growing mushroom theory of management in terms of a communication matrix.
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Sorry but I just don't hear him truly take responsibility, maybe he chucks in a "and I take my share of responsibility" now and then but I don't think that's truly demonstrating you do. It's meaningless if he's absolving himself over the substitutions, the failure to spot players who were toiling, the failure to break up the game when we were under the cosh. There were actions he could have taken that would've secured a win in that game. He's saying he's taking responsibility while actually not taking any at all.
 
Neiler said:
Its not true though mate - its become a myth - he said he takes responsibility in the post match press conference and he said it again in his press conference yesterday. I dont know what people want - put him in stocks and say to everyone individually.

I was listening to Giulia Bould on one of the podcasts during the week and she's had more access then any Journo in and around the club and to him - she talked particularly about a reflection culture amongst the management and how much stock they put on it in self appraisal.

Obviously that has limits in terms of how much you share to the media and public and even the players in terms of self appraisal.

Its the growing mushroom theory of management in terms of a communication matrix.
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It was ToffeeTV so why not just say so, and she at every opportunity defended everything, including not blaming him for the collapse at Bournemouth.

She clearly has a very close relationship with him following the BBC podcast and that comes across; so using her as reference to what he said is like listening to Loomer talking about Trump

And he said, in the presser yesterday that he watched the game 47 times over and still believes the subs were the right decision.

That sounds like a man taking responsibility for it
 
Tony’s Carp said:
Sorry but I just don't hear him truly take responsibility, maybe he chucks in a "and I take my share of responsibility" now and then but I don't think that's truly demonstrating you do. It's meaningless if he's absolving himself over the substitutions, the failure to spot players who were toiling, the failure to break up the game when we were under the cosh. There were actions he could have taken that would've secured a win in that game. He's saying he's taking responsibility while actually not taking any at all.
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But thats not him, not taking responsibility - that is you interpreting him saying he's taking responsibility and choosing what to extrapolate from that.

That's not the same thing.

Clearly if we are disagreeing about it - there are also different interpretations.

So good to clarify that.
 

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