2024/25 Sean Dyche

[nsno-chris]

100% this.
The guys are professionals, but professionals are not culpable to tiredness, fatigue or being 'under cooked'. The way you help these professionals from making mistakes is offer them every tool available to not do so........like 5 substitutions.

If its raining outside to you give a kid an umbrella or just tell them 'deal with it'
If you have scientist creating all sorts of scientific things, and they are looking fatigued......do you give them a break or just continue?

His in game management has, and always be, extremely poor simply for how he approaches games.

Plan A, always Plan A - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but it'll balance out over the season due to the law of averages. Hence why we haven't won a game at Goodison Park if the opposition has scored.; their game plan changes and ours doesn't

Its like hammering a nail and you keep hitting your thumb, if you keep going you'll eventually drive that nail home - its the law of averages, you may be in pain but the goal was achieved.

 

[COYBL25]

I won’t go there but I think most experienced football fans who holistically understand the position of the club have a lot of respect for what he’s done and position he’s in. Most of the people I would respect opinion of on the game have that stance - interesting the lads on here who do, or understand the pragmatism required.

I think being liked is irrelevant, it’s part of the problem here, as fans we take our fair share of responsibility for the instability at the club - if we are talking about taking responsibility, we’ve built pressure to the point that managers have been sacked that could and prob should have had more time - hence we’ve had 7 over this Moshiri era. The club needs to be stronger in that and have conviction in their decision making not flip and flop on fans will, reboot and reboot - that a problem at this club. It’s continued to the hole we are in.

Fans liked “Lampard he fed them crap and most thought “he gets us” he didn’t care we were just being stage managed. Same with Martinez telling us that we were this great historical club, we are but it was irrelevant to the here and now - stage managed. Fans love this and it papers over the cracks of limits in ability.

Our hope is such that we have developed an inferiority complex - to other clubs and we have a worry of how are identity is perceived by others in football by having a Moyes, Allardyce or Dyche - clearly each made a contribution to the wellbeing of the club - but each weren’t tolerated come the end because of what we think our perceived persona should be and our own insecurity around it. If we are talking about taking responsibility and self reflection let’s do ourselves!

Only thing that matters is their impact on the wellbeing of the club, obviously the current manager has had a positive one from where he started to now.

I don’t want to like a manger, it’s irrelevant, I want the clubs wellbeing preserved during a time of holistic internal adversity and outside threat, until we can recover the club.

Neither the club or the manager should listen to fans, it’s part of the problem - the tail shouldn’t wag the dog.

Managers who haven’t got the fans on board and who keep having sly digs at the fans, tend to not last very long though mate :

Allardyce / Benitez tried that and failed.

 

[Lob]

Managers who haven’t got the fans on board and who keep having sly digs at the fans, tend to not last very long though mate :

Allardyce / Benitez tried that and failed.

Yep it has always marked the beginning of the end, ditto the club backing/supporting them like they did yesterday.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I won’t go there but I think most experienced football fans who holistically understand the position of the club have a lot of respect for what he’s done and position he’s in. Most of the people I would respect opinion of on the game have that stance - interesting the lads on here who do, or understand the pragmatism required.

I think being liked is irrelevant, it’s part of the problem here, as fans we take our fair share of responsibility for the instability at the club - if we are talking about taking responsibility, we’ve built pressure to the point that managers have been sacked that could and prob should have had more time - hence we’ve had 7 over this Moshiri era. The club needs to be stronger in that and have conviction in their decision making not flip and flop on fans will, reboot after reboot and the cost of that, that’s impacted - that a problem at this club. It’s contributed to the hole we are in.

Fans liked “Lampard he fed them crap and most thought “he gets us” he didn’t care we were just being stage managed. Same with Martinez telling us that we were this great historical club, we are but it was irrelevant to the here and now - stage managed. Fans love this and it papers over the cracks of limits in ability.

Our hope is such that we have developed an inferiority complex - to other clubs and we have a worry of how our identity is perceived by others in football by having a Moyes, Allardyce or Dyche - clearly each made a contribution to the wellbeing of the club - but each weren’t tolerated come the end because of what we think our perceived persona should be and our own insecurity around it. If we are talking about taking responsibility and self reflection let’s do ourselves!

Only thing that matters is their impact on the wellbeing of the club, obviously the current manager has had a positive one from where he started to now.

I don’t want to like a manger, it’s irrelevant, I want the clubs wellbeing preserved during a time of holistic internal adversity and outside threat, until we can recover the club.

Neither the club or the manager should listen to fans, it’s part of the problem - the tail shouldn’t wag the dog.

A good proportion of our fanbase are fools.

RE Dyche, after that shameless interview by John Textor, Dyche likely has a free pass now. I'm not saying that is right, but any sign of players having downed tools - fingers can and will be pointed at Textor destabilising and undermining our manager.

As per @davek , doing such a thing whilst we are bottom of the table was unforgivable by Mr Textor.

 

[blueboy72]

A good proportion of our fanbase are fools.

RE Dyche, after that shameless interview by John Textor, Dyche likely has a free pass now. I'm not saying that is right, but any sign of players having downed tools - fingers can and will be pointed at Textor destabilising and undermining our manager.

As per @davek , doing such a thing whilst we are bottom of the table was unforgivable by Mr Textor.

Is it any different to someone on talkSPORT criticising dyche or carragher on sky.
At this minute Textor has no influence at Everton. He will be getting blamed for the
Bournemouth defeat soon

 

[nsno-chris]

A good proportion of our fanbase are fools.

RE Dyche, after that shameless interview by John Textor, Dyche likely has a free pass now. I'm not saying that is right, but any sign of players having downed tools - fingers can and will be pointed at Textor destabilising and undermining our manager.

As per @davek , doing such a thing whilst we are bottom of the table was unforgivable by Mr Textor.

Is that before or after winning 5 games in 9 months??

or is it from the this point forward???

 

[Curtis]

Is that before or after winning 5 games in 9 months??

or is it from the this point forward???

As you pointed out I don't think he needs to be undermined by comments to be a crap manager, he's doing fine on his own

 

[Delargeinho]

Never liked his football , but I respected the person.
Until yesterday.
His refusal to accept any responsibility for his frankly amateurish in game management and leaving his players to shoulder the blame alone is despicable and self serving.
Lot of talk about the disruption to morale caused by Textor , but Dyche throwing his players under the bus may well be far more damaging to team spirit.

He contradicts himself, he says that in the end it's manager's responsibility, but also denies missing subs didn't make impact.

In modern football he has 3 occasions to change players, ht not included, so even with taking DCL and Ndiaye off, he could have brought, Garner, Dixon and O Brien to sacrifice and rule out the game.

 

[MikeH72]

Is that before or after winning 5 games in 9 months??

or is it from the this point forward???

I like that we’ve now got a pre-fabricated narrative that absolves Dyche of any blame if we continue to lose every week. It’ll be spun as if we were ticking along just fine until big nasty John opened his mouth and put too much pressure on the poor ickle wickle manager and players.

 

[MikeH72]

The guy tells us all he watches the games, believes in the stats and studys everything no stone unturned.

Yet he persists to give Michael Keane minutes when the stats tell us that during Dyches time at Everton we have conceded 41 goals in the 1,669 minutes Michael Keane has been on the pitch (a goal every 38 minutes)

Imagine if a journalist brought up that stat in a press conference.

 

[nsno-chris]

I like that we’ve now got a pre-fabricated narrative that absolves Dyche of any blame if we continue to lose every week. It’ll be spun as if we were ticking along just fine until big nasty John opened his mouth and put too much pressure on the poor ickle wickle manager and players.

Defo would have hammered Villa 6-0 tomorrow if Textor hadn't piped up

 

[DanEFC92]

Chris Sutton on the BBC predictor thing:

Everton boss Sean Dyche is under the pump after their capitulation against Bournemouth last time out. It feels like some of their fans have turned against Dyche now, which I think is ridiculous, but he does need a result and unfortunately for him Villa Park is not a place I see Everton getting anything.

Ridiculous is it?

Mad how much the media are up his arse. Or just more than happy with us being tripe.

 

[allen]

Chris Sutton on the BBC predictor thing:

Everton boss Sean Dyche is under the pump after their capitulation against Bournemouth last time out. It feels like some of their fans have turned against Dyche now, which I think is ridiculous, but he does need a result and unfortunately for him Villa Park is not a place I see Everton getting anything.

Ridiculous is it?

Mad how much the media are up his arse. Or just more than happy with us being tripe.

Chris Sutton has never uttered a sentence without an extreme opinion sandwiched in the middle of it. I wouldn't trouble yourself on his account.

 

[DanEFC92]

Chris Sutton has never uttered a sentence without an extreme opinion sandwiched in the middle of it. I wouldn't trouble yourself on his account.

It's more the general media feeling towards us and Dyche. Sutton the latest example of it.

 

[windymiller]

Imagine Dyche puts on a bald cap to play Stone and then another to play Woan

I thought Woan had hair? Honestly, I don't pay any of them that much attention.