2024/25 Sean Dyche

[Saint Domingo]

Didn't read the rest.

But.....isn't that the opposite to what football is? That little bit of taking you away from everything for 90 minutes?
Fun, excitement, normally shy timid types yelling till there voice is horse?

Realism shouldn't always be seen as a positive.

'They say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one'

I expect managers to make the best use of what they have.

The facts are we are the only club over the past five seasons running a player trading profit and a significant one at that.

We are continuously selling our best players and looking for the DOF and manager to reinvest in cheaper players yet keep improving results.

We had multiple points deductions last season

We have a chaotic ownership structure that could change at any moment and no permanent board of directors


These are facts, not some pro Dyche propaganda that I’ve invented, they’re the reality of the club. They are conditions which make it difficult for any manager to be successful here.

Some people are saying it’s not an achievement staying up because every Everton manager has done it. There’s surely a difference though between Carlo Ancelotti staying in the league with a transfer war chest and James, Richarlison, Allan, Mina Digne etc. over a full season than Dyche coming in with 18 games to a team in the bottom 3 with no fit senior striker.

Surely, surely, people recognise these situations are different? There’s a lot of people just spewing utter hatred for Dyche with no semblance of context whatsoever.

Everything he’s done which is good he got lucky or is down to Thelwell or the fans

Everything bad is conclusive proof of what a dinosaur he is

It’s just an inane argument

 

[Saint Domingo]

We have had the same amount of managers in the last 10 years as Aston Villa, Spurs & Newcastle in the past 10 years

Well two of them have had relegations in that period and the other is the least successful of the sky 6 of whom all the others have won multiple trophies in the same period. So maybe it’s not the best comparison to draw for a successful model.

The key difference in success between Newcastle and Villa now and before? They changed their ownership, got a load of money, and therefore could attract better managers and players.

Before we change our ownership there’s very little point in blaming Sean Dyche for not being Unai Emery or for not being able to buy Isaak Guiamaraes Gordon Tonali and Botman

 

[Raino85]

I expect managers to make the best use of what they have.

The facts are we are the only club over the past five seasons running a player trading profit and a significant one at that.

We are continuously selling our best players and looking for the DOF and manager to reinvest in cheaper players yet keep improving results.

We had multiple points deductions last season

We have a chaotic ownership structure that could change at any moment and no permanent board of directors


These are facts, not some pro Dyche propaganda that I’ve invented, they’re the reality of the club. They are conditions which make it difficult for any manager to be successful here.

Some people are saying it’s not an achievement staying up because every Everton manager has done it. There’s surely a difference though between Carlo Ancelotti staying in the league with a transfer war chest and James, Richarlison, Allan, Mina Digne etc. over a full season than Dyche coming in with 18 games to a team in the bottom 3 with no fit senior striker.

Surely, surely, people recognise these situations are different? There’s a lot of people just spewing utter hatred for Dyche with no semblance of context whatsoever.

Everything he’s done which is good he got lucky or is down to Thelwell or the fans

Everything bad is conclusive proof of what a dinosaur he is

It’s just an inane argument

Same as Forest basically, you don't here Espirito Santo moaning about what he cant do and what's gone on before

 

[Raino85]

I expect managers to make the best use of what they have.

The facts are we are the only club over the past five seasons running a player trading profit and a significant one at that.

We are continuously selling our best players and looking for the DOF and manager to reinvest in cheaper players yet keep improving results.

We had multiple points deductions last season

We have a chaotic ownership structure that could change at any moment and no permanent board of directors


These are facts, not some pro Dyche propaganda that I’ve invented, they’re the reality of the club. They are conditions which make it difficult for any manager to be successful here.

Some people are saying it’s not an achievement staying up because every Everton manager has done it. There’s surely a difference though between Carlo Ancelotti staying in the league with a transfer war chest and James, Richarlison, Allan, Mina Digne etc. over a full season than Dyche coming in with 18 games to a team in the bottom 3 with no fit senior striker.

Surely, surely, people recognise these situations are different? There’s a lot of people just spewing utter hatred for Dyche with no semblance of context whatsoever.

Everything he’s done which is good he got lucky or is down to Thelwell or the fans

Everything bad is conclusive proof of what a dinosaur he is

It’s just an inane argument

He got more wins than Leicester & Leeds in that time period who got a grand total of 5 wins between them in there last 18 games

 

[Raino85]

I expect managers to make the best use of what they have.

The facts are we are the only club over the past five seasons running a player trading profit and a significant one at that.

We are continuously selling our best players and looking for the DOF and manager to reinvest in cheaper players yet keep improving results.

We had multiple points deductions last season

We have a chaotic ownership structure that could change at any moment and no permanent board of directors


These are facts, not some pro Dyche propaganda that I’ve invented, they’re the reality of the club. They are conditions which make it difficult for any manager to be successful here.

Some people are saying it’s not an achievement staying up because every Everton manager has done it. There’s surely a difference though between Carlo Ancelotti staying in the league with a transfer war chest and James, Richarlison, Allan, Mina Digne etc. over a full season than Dyche coming in with 18 games to a team in the bottom 3 with no fit senior striker.

Surely, surely, people recognise these situations are different? There’s a lot of people just spewing utter hatred for Dyche with no semblance of context whatsoever.

Everything he’s done which is good he got lucky or is down to Thelwell or the fans

Everything bad is conclusive proof of what a dinosaur he is

It’s just an inane argument

5 wins in 25 games and 3 cup exits at home to Luton, Fulham & Southampton should be enough to question him surely?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Isn't that a further indictment on dyche? Didn't we start with maupay

There's definitely valid questions around his slow starts.

He deserved sacking more at the start of last season, than this.

 

[Curtis]

There's definitely valid questions around his slow starts.

He deserved sacking more at the start of last season, than this.

I think he has one of the worst records in epl for August matches throughout his career

 

[Saint Domingo]

He got more wins than Leicester & Leeds in that time period who got a grand total of 5 wins between them in there last 18 games

If he’d got 8 wins but Leeds and Leicester got 9 each and we’d gone down would anyone have cared, or brought up the caveat that the teams he was against were good?

No, you would have slammed him as the man who took us down. You can’t caveat one half of a binary outcome.

 

[kenada_blue]

Turn what around? this isnt a blip. his record is terrible.

It's as if we was rock bottom when he took over and he turned it all around and dragged us out of relegation.

We were in freefall with a manager over his head in Lampard. Hence the change.

Then goes back to my point - can he get us 40 points?

No one believed Lampard could, so he went. So until everyone is agreement that Dyche can't/won't, he'll go.

That's the main argument.

 

[DualityNSNO]

We were in freefall with a manager over his head in Lampard. Hence the change.

Then goes back to my point - can he get us 40 points?

No one believed Lampard could, so he went. So until everyone is agreement that Dyche can't/won't, he'll go.

That's the main argument.

We're almost in freefall now too by the by.

Irrelevant if we as fans think he can - he seems to be unable to take the heat when it's aimed at him and deflects it at fans and players, which is usually a sign that someone's losing his job soon.

 

[kenada_blue]

I find this the weirdest take tbh. I remember when Allardyce was brought in, my head dropped massively. It was grim, very grim. I decided to grin and bare it but there is no way that scenario was my bottom line, it was the owners. Yes I want us to stay in the Premier League of course but I spend a fair bit of my free time either watching Everton or chatting about Everton and I want to spend it being entertained. I presume most people that signed onto this forum are the same.

I visit other clubs' fan forums for FPL insights on occasion and there is more positive chat about tactical nuance and positive play than we have on here, and yes, that includes teams that are in and around us.

Allardyce for me was short term, firefighting and even then I had doubts but I was thrilled when he was sacked despite his position in the table. Entertainment, that's the bottom line. The rest is for the coin counters

How much of your money would you spend on terrible movies? I get there is a difference, but not much.
Imagine celebrating 40pts year after year watching terrible football? At what point do we ship out the Allardyces and Dyches of the world and look up the table?

We don't have an active owner.
We have a billion in debt.
We have a DoF bean counting to try and balance the books as well as trying to improve the squad.
We've had 8 points deducted
We possibly have more coming up.

No other club has this in this league.

Yet under-lapping fullbacks and gengen pressing is more important to some.

And you don't spend your money intentionally on bad movies (generally). You only find out it's bad after you watch it

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

We were in freefall with a manager over his head in Lampard. Hence the change.

Then goes back to my point - can he get us 40 points?

No one believed Lampard could, so he went. So until everyone is agreement that Dyche can't/won't, he'll go.

That's the main argument.

This season, NO!

 

[derek duvall]

Unlike quite a few on here, Dyche is a realist

He knew when he took the job that this wasn’t a long term opportunity. He could have taken us down and been fired, he could have been fired by lunatic Moshiri at any point, the club had fired 6 managers before him all within 18 months, any new owner could have picked the club up and turfed him out.

Its probably why he wanted a sky high salary to compensate him for it

The fact people are now saying any manager could come in and keep us up easily with this squad is proof that the job has been done because when he arrived in Jan 2023 that was not a squad many people were confident in not being one of the three worst in the league.

Dyche knows full well he’s in the end game now. Whether there’s some bad results and he goes early or he wins a few and it’s the end of the season, he’s more than likely going regardless.

If people want to deny he’s ever done anything good here ever, or get weirdly hung up on how he touches his head or says the word ‘noise’, then they can burst their own blood vessels getting bent out of shape on that one, it doesn’t change the reality of what has happened

The history books will read:

Kept us in the prem, reduced the wage bill, increased player trading profits, navigated two points deductions

So he’s a professional footballer (as you don’t give players credit), a football manager and a director of football (handling contracts and finances)….Pretty impressive… seems like you missed he also stopped global warming, found bin laden, started free school lunches and invented the covid vaccine.

 

[Ruairi77]

There's definitely valid questions around his slow starts.

He deserved sacking more at the start of last season, than this.

I remember watching the first 75 mins against Doncaster last year and thinking it's the worst I can remember Everton ever being.
I know everyone always says that but I remember thinking 'this is actually worse than the Stuart Barlow, Mike Walker Everton.
There kept being enough for others to argue his case tho, we were unlucky, chaos behind the scenes, points deductions, players, injuries etc.

The baseline hasnt improved a year later and I dont think it will. They just dont look well coached.
There's occasionally good moments but to me that seems like players taking control and playing how they want.
I know that's a no win argument for Dyche but it's just how I see it.

There was a few minutes at home to Newcastle when they turned on the flair but they were 2 up at that point. I'm not saying I want that all the time but I'd like it more than for 20 mins over the last 20 months.

Yes, ownership is a mess, but a good manager should be able to shelter his team from that.
I'm also sure this team is full of players who could finish top half.
I'm sure Dyche can keep us up. I just think another manger could do better.
Is it risky to make that change, yeah but I've had enough of the last season at goodison being a dour affair where even defeats arent that sore because, hey, they might hasten the change of manager.

We also need to get out of the mindset that we just need a steady pair of hands. We just need someone safe like Moyes. We need to take risks or we'll never achieve anything.

 

[brian labone]

I am not a fan of Mr Dyche and want him out as soon as possible, but when he says he is proud of what he has done at Everton it really makes me feel sick. In my opinion the thing that bugs me most of all is the way he starts every single game on the defensive on matter where we are playing or who we are playing. Please Mr new owner come in as soon as possible.