2024/25 Sean Dyche

[MikeH72]

We don't have an active owner.
We have a billion in debt.
We have a DoF bean counting to try and balance the books as well as trying to improve the squad.
We've had 8 points deducted
We possibly have more coming up.

No other club has this in this league.

Yet under-lapping fullbacks and gengen pressing is more important to some.

And you don't spend your money intentionally on bad movies (generally). You only find out it's bad after you watch it

I see we’re at the stage of just making stuff up in order to create a longer list to make him look better.

 

[kenada_blue]

We're almost in freefall now too by the by.

Irrelevant if we as fans think he can - he seems to be unable to take the heat when it's aimed at him and deflects it at fans and players, which is usually a sign that someone's losing his job soon.

If you take into consideration last season and this "7 wins out of 32" stuff yeah.

Looking at it as this being 4 league games...you can't say it's freefall just yet IMO.

And the defensive nature is more of an annoyance to some rather than a reason to want him gone. Which is what I said about it bubbling to a point where if he blows his nose it boils piss.

 

[DualityNSNO]

If you take into consideration last season and this "7 wins out of 32" stuff yeah.

Looking at it as this being 4 league games...you can't say it's freefall just yet IMO.

And the defensive nature is more of an annoyance to some rather than a reason to want him gone. Which is what I said about it bubbling to a point where if he blows his nose it boils piss.

Well yes, if I take into consideration our terrible form last year and bring it to our terrible form this year - it's pretty bad.

4-5 games might not be enough, but again, how many is? We can't have "acceptable loss" next to every game for gods sake, and we have some actual football teams coming up. A loss at Leicester would make it probably the worst start we've had, with probably the worst football we've played ever too.

Showed the same stubbornness in sacking the previous managers - waiting for ages until it's actually done and then waiting for ages until we get a new manager. It just ruins the mood and the squad further than it needs to be.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

If you take into consideration last season and this "7 wins out of 32" stuff yeah.

Looking at it as this being 4 league games...you can't say it's freefall just yet IMO.

And the defensive nature is more of an annoyance to some rather than a reason to want him gone. Which is what I said about it bubbling to a point where if he blows his nose it boils piss.

His abject tactical ineptitude is the reason I want him gone .
That and losing more games than he wins .

 

[Davideeyore]

5 wins in a year , leaking goals like a faucet when he's a defensive manager who plays anti football will not endear himself to the fanbase , kudos to him for getting us through a challenging season but he's lost it and needs to scram

This in a nutshell.

Dyche come in after Lampard in difficult circumstances (both on and off the pitch) and then put his own stamp on the club with last seasons results including similarly poor start (which is proved to be standard for Dyche) and that long sequence of NOT winning a game but again difficult circumstances particularly off the pitch with PSR and ownership stuff. So absolutely kudos to him. At this point I think he should have been moved on. The reality was, all the angst and anger had dissipated and there was good will - and rightly so. Considering the finish to the season including the derby result while we celebrated (not sure what Dyche was doing that night to buy in to the ethos of Evertonians everywhere but I'm sure someone will know ). Point being we expected that we would see some progress on the pitch although the pre-season was shocking and a warning. Instead of progress what we have is the manager appears to be utterly clueless, out of ideas. Another August with poor results. Why is that? Unwanted records mounting up. The stats tell you how bad things are under Dyche. I can't understand how fellow blues would be happy with Dyche's reign and I can't understand why anyone would accept just finishing 17th. Is that the sum total of our ambition and existence? Is it to get us at BM (in the PL)? Okay and suddenly at BM we turn in to our own version of Manchester City? Behave yourselves. The standards for Everton Football Club is so low & tweedle dee and tweedle dum are helping put this narrative out there..

 

[JLW]

Is this wet fart still here

 

[Toffeepot]

We don't have an active owner.
We have a billion in debt.
We have a DoF bean counting to try and balance the books as well as trying to improve the squad.
We've had 8 points deducted
We possibly have more coming up.

No other club has this in this league.

Yet under-lapping fullbacks and gengen pressing is more important to some.

And you don't spend your money intentionally on bad movies (generally). You only find out it's bad after you watch it

Better off with current owner not interfering bar inability to sack an under-performing manager
Stadia cost money
DoF has improved the squad while maintaining a positive net spend
8pts deduction was terrible, granted
doubt it

All of those things have nothing to do with whether or not the team can play an entertaining style which is dependent on the manager's set up
Playing bad football gets bad results

Most people hear reviews about movies by word of mouth or by searching for them before paying

 

[ToffeeScot]

Is that the sum total of our ambition and existence? Is it to get us at BM? Okay and suddenly at BM we turn in to our own version of Manchester City? Behave yourselves. The standards for Everton Football Club is so low & tweedle dee and tweedle dum are helping put this narrative out there..

Less ambition, more the reality of where the club is at currently. When you're consistently having positive net spend and unable to keep hold of players each summer, while teams around you spend + you are in the bottom half of the table, it's about being realistic to what is the potential height of the current team which is anywhere from the relegation zone to around 10/11th.

I don't think anyone expects us to rock up at BMD and suddenly become City. I think what people do understand though is that with (hopefully) fresh ownership, the potential of the new stadium and revenue it can generate, and a likely more stable club, we will see improvements.

We are still an extremely unstable club from top to bottom.

 

[kenada_blue]

Well yes, if I take into consideration our terrible form last year and bring it to our terrible form this year - it's pretty bad.

4-5 games might not be enough, but again, how many is? We can't have "acceptable loss" next to every game for gods sake, and we have some actual football teams coming up. A loss at Leicester would make it probably the worst start we've had, with probably the worst football we've played ever too.

Showed the same stubbornness in sacking the previous managers - waiting for ages until it's actually done and then waiting for ages until we get a new manager. It just ruins the mood and the squad further than it needs to be.

Yeah and I agree. And that's the question...what's the limit?

Personally it's if we're almost cut adrift with no light at the end where an injection is needed to salvage it.

I don't think we're at that crisis point yet. But it's a crisis of faith at the moment.

And if said person your putting your faith into becomes loathsome...it's difficult.

 

[Toffeepot]

It is incredible to me that people who defend Dyche at the moment have a tendency to put it on the players because 'once they pass the white line' etc and somehow manage to also blame the Club hierarchy for how the team is coached beyond Dyche's 'white line'

Never wanted him. Warmed to his roll up your sleeves attitude which he has now clearly lost. Disappointed with his deflection of responsibility which flies in the face of the origin of the word 'manager' (man man), and I definitely do not buy into this notion that we'll go down without him.

His continual 'before I got here' rhetoric proves he hasn't 'changed the story' and it's time for someone else to rekindle a spark whether that is now at the end of his contract.

I think we stay up with or without him but if he gets a new contract it will be shambolic to say the least

 

[kenada_blue]

Better off with current owner not interfering bar inability to sack an under-performing manager
Stadia cost money
DoF has improved the squad while maintaining a positive net spend
8pts deduction was terrible, granted
doubt it

All of those things have nothing to do with whether or not the team can play an entertaining style which is dependent on the manager's set up
Playing bad football gets bad results

Most people hear reviews about movies by word of mouth or by searching for them before paying

Playing entertaining football doesn't get results either. Which is the point - putting entertainment above outcomes.

The rebuttal I replied to was an argument that other teams talk about playing "good" football. But those sides aren't in the same predicament as we are as a problematic club with unrest. Its an idea that playing more attractive football suddenly fixes things, when it doesn't guarantee anything.

The movie analogy - Someone could still recommend a movie and it tick all the boxes...but that still doesn't guarantee you'll like it. It may look nice though.

A philosophy of a club comes from the top down. The philosophy of ours is "stay in the league".

 

[Toffeepot]

Playing entertaining football doesn't get results either. Which is the point - putting entertainment above outcomes.

The rebuttal I replied to was an argument that other teams talk about playing "good" football. But those sides aren't in the same predicament as we are as a problematic club. The idea that playing more attractive football suddenly fixes things, when it doesn't guarantee anything.

The movie analogy - Someone could still recommend a movie and it tick all the boxes...but that still doesn't guarantee you'll like it. It may look nice though.

Playing entertaining football doesn't guarantee results but it often gets results. I'm sure you understand I don't mean 10 lads running around after the ball like a bunch of 6 year olds even though that would be entertaining, I mean playing as if the team believed they could express themselves and win the game. Not turtle and hope for a set piece scramble, knock down or mistake.

The way we get carved open, the fact we have shipped 13 goals in 4 games and under-performed against a 2nd string promoted team at home tells its own story about Dyche's awful football not exactly producing results either. I do expect us to survive but it won't be because of any pragmatic genius from the manager.

Yea the movie analogy isn't working. I did say I get that it's not the same, especially because as fans many of us feel compelled to watch the games. There are entertaining mid table teams in no danger of relegation with squads similar to ours in strength such as Brentford, Palace and Brighton(before they invested more), and they did it by getting managers more astute in the modern game

 

[kenada_blue]

Playing entertaining football doesn't guarantee results but it often gets results. I'm sure you understand I don't mean 10 lads running around after the ball like a bunch of 6 year olds even though that would be entertaining, I mean playing as if the team believed they could express themselves and win the game. Not turtle and hope for a set piece scramble, knock down or mistake.

The way we get carved open, the fact we have shipped 13 goals in 4 games and under-performed against a 2nd string promoted team at home tells its own story about Dyche's awful football not exactly producing results either. I do expect us to survive but it won't be because of any pragmatic genius from the manager.

Yea the movie analogy isn't working. I did say I get that it's not the same, especially because as fans many of us feel compelled to watch the games. There are entertaining mid table teams in no danger of relegation with squads similar to ours in strength such as Brentford, Palace and Brighton(before they invested more), and they did it by getting managers more astute in the modern game

But they're things you'd think he'll shore up as he's done so in the past. We had the 4th best defence last season for example - which if people can throw negative stats about him, you then have accept any positives.

And yes, there are more easy on the eye teams. But that comes from stability and confidence which we don't have. As a club we tread water.

But fundamentally theyll both come full circle. Southampton like the ball for example. They'll get relegated though so their owners will either bite the bullet to support either a philosophy or results.

 

[kenada_blue]

His abject tactical ineptitude is the reason I want him gone .
That and losing more games than he wins .

But I bet that view hasn't changed since he signed

 

[Goodisongang]

I expect managers to make the best use of what they have.

The facts are we are the only club over the past five seasons running a player trading profit and a significant one at that.

We are continuously selling our best players and looking for the DOF and manager to reinvest in cheaper players yet keep improving results.

We had multiple points deductions last season

We have a chaotic ownership structure that could change at any moment and no permanent board of directors


These are facts, not some pro Dyche propaganda that I’ve invented, they’re the reality of the club. They are conditions which make it difficult for any manager to be successful here.

Some people are saying it’s not an achievement staying up because every Everton manager has done it. There’s surely a difference though between Carlo Ancelotti staying in the league with a transfer war chest and James, Richarlison, Allan, Mina Digne etc. over a full season than Dyche coming in with 18 games to a team in the bottom 3 with no fit senior striker.

Surely, surely, people recognise these situations are different? There’s a lot of people just spewing utter hatred for Dyche with no semblance of context whatsoever.

Everything he’s done which is good he got lucky or is down to Thelwell or the fans

Everything bad is conclusive proof of what a dinosaur he is

It’s just an inane argument

who are these best players we are selling? Onana???? he couldnt even get a game towards the end of the last season.