2024/25 Sean Dyche

[Drico]

If he finishes 17th this season then he has taken us backwards.

If he finished 17th this season, he will be thanked for keeping the sinking ship afloat and sent on his merry way with our best wishes.

He's history come the end of the season at the latest. I, for one, won't be revisiting or analysing whether he took us forwards or backwards as he'll be irrelevant. I'll just be happy we are still top flight, because the last three years has been a horror show.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

If he finishes 17th this season then he has taken us backwards, yet his weird acolytes will be dancing in the streets and hailing him as a miracle worker. He’s manifested this mentality himself though, he put us in a relegation battle before a ball had been kicked by constantly talking about how impossible his job is. Were Iraola, Glasner, Frank and Silva preparing their fans for a relegation battle all summer I wonder? All teams that finished around or below us last season and all lost key players in the summer.

That's the thing, he puts this narrative out there before a ball is kicked to lower expectations and make himself look like some miracle worker because of the conditions he tells us he has to work under.

 

[MikeH72]

If he finished 17th this season, he will be thanked for keeping the sinking ship afloat and sent on his merry way with our best wishes.

He's history come the end of the season at the latest. I, for one, won't be revisiting or analysing whether he took us forwards or backwards as he'll be irrelevant. I'll just be happy we are still top flight, because the last three years has been a horror show.

Why? Why is it a sinking ship, we got 48 points last season? Why would it be an achievement to get 39 this season and scrape survival?

 

[Exeter_Gently]

I remember when everyone said that about the Patterson slap.

Whatever happened there hardly caused a ripple in the dressing room.

 

[MJA]

Here we go again. Same old coals raked over for the millionth time. Boring.

 

[Drico]

Why? Why is it a sinking ship, we got 48 points last season? Why would it be an achievement to get 39 this season and scrape survival?

It's been a sinking ship for obvious reasons, Michael: The club has been mismanaged into the ground by Moshiri and Kenwright. Circumstances - the Ukraine invasion - has holed us under the bow. Throw in PSR points deductions, four failed takeovers, and the starving of transfer funds over the last five years to the point that we are the only club in the league to make a profit on transfers and you've got a club teetering on the brink. That's why it was/is a sinking ship. We stayed up with one game to go, on the last day, and with three games to go over the last three years. By rights, we should have sunk completely.

But we didn't - partly to do with Dyche's manangement in ludicrous circumstances. There will be no "achievement" this season. All that matters is we stay up and the new owners can reboot the club. Dyche won't be part of that.

Hounding him out needlessly (and it will be needless if he can get us up the table to a position of relative safety - serves no purpose). Lose the next three, though, and I'll be breaking out the pitchforks myself. All I want this season is a quiet time free of worry in April. We're not achieving anything with this manager or the vast bulk of these players. The reboot can't come soon enough.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Do you not think Dyche has done well keeping us in the Prem?

This was a week before we hired him.





You've said there, a massive ask for any manager to keep us up. He achieved it.

Since then, we've had point deductions and sold more than we've spent. Still stayed up.

Short memories. You can still say you want him gone, without dicrediting what he's done.

Too many are too quick to downplay the state the club was, and still is in.

We’re in an extremely fortunate position now of hopefully moving to new owners and the new stadium which will allow more headroom in PS&R and a different transfer landscape. The new owners can make their decision on which manager is the right horse for that future course.

The course in January 2023 with Gordon sold, no replacement, DCL injured, the squad quality as it was, the strength of the opposition (Leicester, Leeds), and the fixtures remaining (most bottom half home games already gone) was extremely different and Dyche was the right horse at that time to keep us up that season. People can laugh this off as ‘anyone could have done it’ but Bielsa/Marsch and Rodgers who are all decentish experienced managers with better players and a head start on Dyche didn’t. People forget Dyche taking points from behind at Stamford Bridge with Simms as a striker, or coming behind against Spurs for a point with 10 men. All very easy in hindsight but our rivals that season didn’t get the job done. Dyche did.

Had he not we could have been looking at a completely different environment now one of being in the championship, leasing our new stadium, fire sale of any decent playing assets, points deductions for administration, and potentially struggling to meet creditor loans with perhaps very different potential owners on the horizon if any at all (who’d want to take on that debt without the revenue to service it?). The pathway to multiple relegations looms that way.

The debate about Dyche is now largely meaningless thanks to the work he’s done. The risk has almost been completely removed now. If Friedkin wants to remove him early because results are bad there’s a better squad here than when he arrived for the new manager. If the results pick up from here and we finish mid table and Friedkin wants to take his time to make a decision on his own candidate until the end of the season then that’s beneficial for the club too.

I think everyone would have hoped back in January 23 that we might have been arguing in October 24 about whether people’s expectations of Dyche are NSNO enough if he doesn’t exceed 48 points this season.

The job has been done.

 

[MikeH72]

It's been a sinking ship for obvious reasons, Michael: The club has been mismanaged into the ground by Moshiri and Kenwright. Circumstances - the Ukraine invasion - has holed us under the bow. Throw in PSR points deductions, four failed takeovers, and the starving of transfer funds over the last five years to the point that we are the only club in the league to make a profit on transfers and you've got a club teetering on the brink. That's why it was/is a sinking ship. We stayed up with one game to go, on the last day, and with three games to go over the last three years. By rights, we should have sunk completely.

But we didn't - partly to do with Dyche's manangement in ludicrous circumstances. There will be no "achievement" this season. All that matters is we stay up and the new owners can reboot the club. Dyche won't be part of that.

Hounding him out needlessly (and it will be needless if he can get us up the table to a position of relative safety - serves no purpose). Lose the next three, though, and I'll be breaking out the pitchforks myself. All I want this season is a quiet time free of worry in April. We're not achieving anything with this manager or the vast bulk of these players. The reboot can't come soon enough.

This is all fine but none of it has any relevance to on field performance this season. We finished 12th with 48 points in the real world last season, what has happened over the course of this summer to weaken us by 10+ points?

If we are in the thick of a relegation battle come the start of December then he should absolutely be sacked because that is not under any circumstances where we should be.

 

[twoblue]

Why is his target only to “keep us up”? His job is to improve us. He led us to enough points for 12th last season.

If he “manages to keep us up” this season, it’s because he has led us to another relegation battle rather than looking to consolidate a mid table points total. And he is culpable in that due to his pressers and talking about relegation constantly,

You disappoint me with how much your expectations of this club have lowered.

In fairness most seasons we forced to focus on financial targets rather than sporting targets.
Net spend and wages are the most inpoetant stat for where we are.
Dyche has to work with that priority and then keep us up

 

[davek]

To be fair mate both sides of the fence are throwing barbs at each other over the manager.

Which is mad...he'll live and die by his results,especially when TFG take over but think everyone just needs to settle down a bit coz it gets a bit hysterical.

That dressing room stuff is a nonsense.

My view is he should be replaced when we have cash coming in that allows a better standard of player. Hopefully that comes soon. Ild have no objections to letting a limited manager like Dyche go in that scenario. Until then we'd be cutting off our nose to spite our face sacking Dyche if he's still keeping us out of the bottom three.

 

[Bluewolf]

Do you not think Dyche has done well keeping us in the Prem?

This was a week before we hired him.





You've said there, a massive ask for any manager to keep us up. He achieved it.

Since then, we've had point deductions and sold more than we've spent. Still stayed up.

Short memories. You can still say you want him gone, without dicrediting what he's done.

Too many are too quick to downplay the state the club was, and still is in.

Do us a favour and pull up the quote where i said he'd done well to keep us up after the Bournemouth match but we need to get rid of him and get someone better if we want to be anything but relegation candidates.

Ive never been a fan of dyche and never wanted him here at everton but when he was announced. I drank the cool aid and got on board like i did with every other manager because i want everton to be the best. But it was blatantly obvious after dyches first half a season in charge he would never be that man.

 

[NathDogg]

To be fair mate both sides of the fence are throwing barbs at each other over the manager.

Which is mad...he'll live and die by his results,especially when TFG take over but think everyone just needs to settle down a bit coz it gets a bit hysterical.

That dressing room stuff is a nonsense.

It has gone a bit mad and definitely needs to calm down.

As you say, on field results will decide his fate, no matter how much of a basket case the club is in the background, but I know I don’t need to keep hearing the manager say how big the job is/has been and how great he’s done, when I’m watching his football team and tactics on a Saturday, and the results we’ve got.

 

[Raino85]

"Dyche lovers" describes people who see things in the round - that he's landed here with a thankless task and no cash or even support above him from a stewardless, rudderless club to save one of the great English football institutions from relegation - at a point when the British football media and the powers that be in the Premier League were determined to see us into the Championship.

If he keeps us up for the third season running - which he will - he'll have completed a remarkable story in this club's history. To walk into this catastrophe and keep his nerve and see us through to new ownership and a new stadium is a fantastic achievement.

The stick he's getting reflects on his detractors much more than it does on him. He'll get a standing ovation at the end of the season and he'll be wished all the best by the vast majority of Everton fans for what he's managed to do here.

Is that you Sean?

 

[Toffeelover]

My view is he should be replaced when we have cash coming in that allows a better standard of player. Hopefully that comes soon. Ild have no objections to letting a limited manager like Dyche go in that scenario. Until then we'd be cutting off our nose to spite our face sacking Dyche if he's still keeping us out of the bottom three.

Had years of experience doing that at Burnley.

 

[Raino85]

That's the thing, he puts this narrative out there before a ball is kicked to lower expectations and make himself look like some miracle worker because of the conditions he tells us he has to work under.

He played the 'little old Burnley' card for years.