Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Hull poll)

[Boss_Blue]

Everton fans - so fickle

 

[Username]

Everton fans - so fickle

What fans aren't? And why are you on GOT at 3 bells you scruffy weapon.

 

[Khalekan]

The thought of this club managed by back room staff already here who've been encouraging an insurrection to get themselves another mans job is nauseating.

There no way Kenwright can allow that this to happen. It's surely a recipe for disaster. If Martinez does leave (and I dearly hope not) I hope to god an outsider is brought in. I don't care who, I just couldn't stomach facing the prospect of everton being managed by some scumbag backstabbing insider. I'd only be partially pacified by a new broom who came in and swept the arl arses out the door ASAP.

Dave....where are you hearing all this stuff about "insurrection" and such like?

 

[Khalekan]

I think some people are giving Garbutt a bad name. The lad only favourited a tweet (not retweeted it - therefore, you can't see it on his timeline and people are just looking to cause trouble).

I totally agree with him too. English players should be given the chance, and to be fair, slowly but surely, English talent is starting to seep through in the Premier League.

I don't think its intended as a hint to Martinez. We already have an English left back and Luke has been given game time...

That tweet about the English layers being given a chance?

From the screenshot on here, those words are from thst well known John Bull from Cannock and other well known dogging spots, Stanloi Collymore.

 

[Khalekan]

Baines' Dad said that none of the players are speaking to Martinez.

If that is true them sommat has to give.

And it is easier to replace one manager than the entire first team squad.

I have a feeling Bobby will be gone before the West Ham game.

 

[Khalekan]

Sad times for me this as when he was first appointed I was a little unsure. However he won me over last season, and he oozes class.

However, he seems to have lost the dressing room. The players (who take a HUGE amount of the blame here) have lost all confidence in him. He does not seem to have any motivational skills, his decision making during games (not using subs) is terrible.

So yes, If I had to be brutally honest I would say a change is necessary at this point, because if he stays and we keep losing in the league, and a change is made later rather than sooner then whoever (and it scares me who that might be) takes over is not going to have enough time to save us. I don't think we will get relegated, but we must not get blasé.

Rough times to be an Evertonian for sure, and after the promise of las season its even harder to take.

My view is that if he did go, a caretaker would be appointed and a permanent appointment made in the summer.

Big Joe is already there so possibly Dunc and Joe as a pair of caretaker firefighters.

I must say Bobby's fall from grace and the seemingly inevitable parting of the ways is filling me with great sadness.

 

[Khalekan]

Are people suggesting we stop playing football and result to long ball?

Mate, we stopped playing football after the first twenty minutes at White Hart Lane.

This whole crisis has incubated, hatched and come to a head in little less than a month.

Only sodding Everton could go from the high that was Wolfsburg to the shambles that was Hull in five flippin' weeks.

 

[Khalekan]

The reality is, we'd win the championship with ease and bounce straight back up anyway so that would be another trophy, so it would only be one season away from the prem.

League One has been the eventual destination of plenty of teams which were going to "win the championship with ease" and spend only one year out the top flight.

 

[Khalekan]

When the players know the system isn't working and it is making their job impossible, is it any wonder their heads drop when their manager pushes them to do more of the same? You can bet they've talked this through in training and after games, it speaks for their professionalism that they'll continue to go out and do as they're told even though it was obvious months ago it was failing.
How bad does it have to get before Martinez concedes that the madness to his method is the issue? Stubborness is great, when it's a manager sinking someone elses club.

He picks the side, he sends them out to perform technically above what they can manage, he doesn't change it, he carries the can when it comes to it. I hope it doesn't but enough bad luck, and injuries is slowly forcing the clubs hand. His inability to change it up is his digging his own grave.

The morons (and king moron) blaming Hibbert, Osman, Naismith and Ferguson (wtf!) are kidding themselves and trying to kid you. The best way to pipe a shyster down is to call them out and then laugh at them. A few too many shysters trying to call the shots on here of late.

Martinez is explaining with his methods that he has learned very little to nothing from his days having Wigan play above average going forwards and like a bunch of startled lambs trying to defend. He has to change it, for his future and for Evertons in the Premier League.

Time is seriously ticking.

The mystery of the Stoke fixture bothers me.

The players got angry with the ref and suddenly the manual was chucked in the bin and they battered Stoke for the last ten minutes of normal time plus the added ten with aggressive, passionate football.

We all thought it was set up for an onslaught on the second half.

But it never materialised.

It was straight back to Crab ball the moment the second half started.

He must have told them all to calm down and win the possession or some other such bollox.

 

[Khalekan]

If we got to the stage where we were looking likely to go down, then you would have to seriously consider sacking him. I still don't think it will get to that point, and when we do climb out of the current slump, he will be a better manager for it.

If we were to go down, I would bet Bobby won't still be at the helm.

If we are still in freefall half a dozen games from now Bill will have to roll the dice in an attempt to stave off the dread relegation.

 

[cronullasharks]

Today was the first time this season I have stopped looking at how many points between us and the top 6 and looked at how many points are between us and the relegation zone.

Looking at the teams around us on the ladder, how have we become as bad as them ?

 

[EverBlue86]

Today was the first time this season I have stopped looking at how many points between us and the top 6 and looked at how many points are between us and the relegation zone.

Looking at the teams around us on the ladder, how have we become as bad as them ?

Having a numpty as manager that's how!

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

If by 'the system' you mean 4-2-3-1 I don't think it's especially at fault. We're pushing both fullbacks forward, which is fine because we have the two best attacking fullbacks in the league. But I don't think that we're getting enough cover from Barry and McCarthy. If it was me, when we were on the attack I'd want Barry to sit in between the two centrebacks and McCarthy sitting just in front trying to slow the opposition counter-attack down. McCarthy has been our best player so far this season but a lot is being asked of him because Barry has been so poor. When he played at centreback a few games ago you could see that he was dying to run into midfield to try and nick the ball. We need to be more disciplined, hold a line and play more intelligently. Wasn't Moyes using the same formation by the end anyway?

I don't really like the passing out from the back and keeping possession at set pieces. I can understand why he does it. Statistically the chances are that the ball will come straight back at us from a punt upfield and we won't score from a set piece delivery but we're not going to carve out an opportunity from open play while the opposition have everyone back unless we work it well and we have one of the best deadball specialists in the world in our side, so we might as well chance our arm. And anyway, I don't think that we have the personnel to play out from the back and you get closed down too quickly in the Premier League for it to be worth the risk.

I think that our problem is that we expect to boss possession home and away and pin the opposition in. It's a flawed concept though. If we pin them in it gives us no room to get in between or behind them and we can't create chances. Teams will let us do that because they know that we'll over-commit and that they can spring a counter-attack on us, score one goal and defend it until full-time largely untroubled. If a side came to Goodison and left just their two centrebacks halfway in their own half we'd take advantage. Roberto might argue that it's the Barca way but they have Messi, Neymar and Saurez to create something out of nothing.

I don't disagree with his principles but maybe he's being too ambitious too soon? He won the cup by being tactically cute and very difficult to break down. He didn't set out to pass us or City off the park. Eventually the likes of Coleman, Stones, McCarthy, Besic, Barkley and Lukaku could form the basis of a very slick passing side but for now we need to take a step or two backwards and just be solid. Roberto needs to learn that occasionally putting a cross into the box for Lukaku isn't the antithesis of sexy football.

Exactly crossing it in is a very good way to score goals,can I disagree with you, pretty sexy when Coleman or Baines give it in.

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

Just you all wait. I've said a lot of things apt hat I thought were right, but despite me saying yes and even offering replacements, The School of Science will reopen from construction, which it was under after us exploiting its knowledge last season. This man will be the one to lead us to glory. However I admit I am concerned at the current Wigan GK rumors. Bobby open your eyes- Wigan isn't the only place to get players from. Do what Moyes did, scout players, and uncover gems.

 

[Dozbik]

What the hell is half the team's problem with Roberto? Especially Distin's? That big donkey should be grateful that a professional team still employs him.