The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[davek]

I'd always marginally favoured Labour because even this present market oriented new/neo Labour lot have a link with working class organisations (more tenuous by the year). But that Scottish referendum just about clinched it for me with them. They are now the party responsible for destroying the democratic dreams of a whole nation - a party that backed big business, the mass media and the military to snuff out the chance of a better future north of the border, and they did it by swinging to the right of the Tories and allied themselves with all manner of scum like the orange order and the BNP.

I hope they get battered in May next year. And those Scots who bent the knee and voted No will get the full blown Tory Government they richly deserve for their actions. That'll drive even more of a wedge between classes up in Scotland.

 

[L4Everton]

Oh dear, are you still vexed about democracy working against you. Still? Let it go man, its putting years on you.

 

[peteblue]

I was just thinking about the modern family. A lot of people, my step-mother included, have 6 kids from two previous marriages!

It's a difficult issue though because it's no fault of the children and they still need to be looked after. Personally I would remove children from truly feckless parents for adoption and put the parents on compulsory work programmes. But there are no real answers to this issue...........

 

[peteblue]

I'd always marginally favoured Labour because even this present market oriented new/neo Labour lot have a link with working class organisations (more tenuous by the year). But that Scottish referendum just about clinched it for me with them. They are now the party responsible for destroying the democratic dreams of a whole nation - a party that backed big business, the mass media and the military to snuff out the chance of a better future north of the border, and they did it by swinging to the right of the Tories and allied themselves with all manner of scum like the orange order and the BNP.

I hope they get battered in May next year. And those Scots who bent the knee and voted No will get the full blown Tory Government they richly deserve for their actions. That'll drive even more of a wedge between classes up in Scotland.

I hope they get battered for different reasons. I think we are on the verge of getting a more distributed system of government which will be for the better. Certainly Scotland will have nothing to fear as they will have the power to do most things apart from deciding whether to declare war.......

 

[davek]

I hope they get battered for different reasons. I think we are on the verge of getting a more distributed system of government which will be for the better. Certainly Scotland will have nothing to fear as they will have the power to do most things apart from deciding whether to declare war.......

...I highly doubt that. There'll be some concocted reason for avoiding extra devolved powers. The Scots were done up like a kipper...or at least the 'No' mugs were.

 

[rascal]

Again, its a system that was introduced for all the right reasons, but some who get it, (my sister for example) see it as much as an entitlement as those trapped in the benefit system at the other end of the spectrum.

Fair enough, perhaps I'm just looking at the issue as a single white childless male and would change my tune if I was a parent. I just don't see why parents want more than two kids and expect them to be supported.

 

[edge]

The scots will get next to nothing just window dressing
As much as I dont like Mr Ed and co , there a better option for me than the current shower even there own members at the fringe meetings were saying there led by a liar

 

[roydo]

Fair enough, perhaps I'm just looking at the issue as a single white fatherless male and would change my tune if I was a parent. I just don't see why parents want more than two kids and expect them to be supported.

No, the point I was making is that my sister, married to a BA Captain, works 2 days a week, with 2 kids in a Grammar school, in a £1m plus house, sees it as an entitlement.

But I agree with the 2 only. As a parent.

 

[rascal]

It's a difficult issue though because it's no fault of the children and they still need to be looked after. Personally I would remove children from truly feckless parents for adoption and put the parents on compulsory work programmes. But there are no real answers to this issue...........

Can't the kids just be placed in workhouses?

 

[roydo]

Can't the kids just be placed in workhouses?

They are called Call Centres these days.

 

[Coach]

Oh sure, he raised it from 40% on Treasury guidance. Which is why I said mainly. But the main beneficiaries of the pension changes he has made will not be his millionaire pals mate.

It will be the sort of folk I deal with daily. Normal, working people who have managed to end up with a few bob in a pension.

Ahhh, right - so it's not me that's talking codswallop then.

 

[L4Everton]

It's a difficult issue though because it's no fault of the children and they still need to be looked after. Personally I would remove children from truly feckless parents for adoption and put the parents on compulsory work programmes. But there are no real answers to this issue...........

Education, but making that horse drink the water you have lead it too is another story.

 

[Coach]

Just a thought on the benefit cap:

73% of the people hit by the benefit cap are children

http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2014/09/73-per-cent-of-the-people-hit-by-the-benefit-cap-are-children/

That is currently.

These measures have put an extra 200,000 children into poverty by the Government's own admission.

Who knows how many more innocent children will be forced into poverty by the Tories if they get their way?

"Securing a better future" - for whom?

 

[roydo]

Ahhh, right - so it's not me that's talking codswallop then.

Well he didnt introduce the tax. The Treasury recommended it rise cos it was designed to reclaim the lost income tax/tax relief if someone died early. Sort of. And it is/was pretty much voluntary, insofar that the surviving spouse/dependants had a choice to make upon death of the pensioner. One choice resulted in the tax being levied. 3 other choices did not.

 

[L4Everton]

Ahhh, right - so it's not me that's talking codswallop then.

What a refreshing change