The Everton Board Thread 2014/15

[maccavennie]

Regardless of what personal opinion anyone has of Kenwright, it's this bit I always find most odd.

If they're not prepared to invest, what's the point of them?

Maybe they have been willing but under certain conditions and Kenwright maybe feels it's to the detriment of Everton Football Club. I'm playing devils advocate a bit there I guess mate but just taking a step back I'm thinking he's well respected in his line of work ( theatre ). He's supposedly a good negotiater for transfers. He says he's the best Everton person to sell Everton. What happens if he's had multiple chances to sell us but hasn't and that's paid dividends.

I'm not a fan by any stretch but seeing this pan out over such a long period of time I can't help think that's there's been chances for him to say "ah screw this" but he hasn't. Maybe for the chance of monetary gains or for the love of the club I'm not sure but surely there were times he could have sold it. Or are the other folk ( Earl and Green ) in so much control that they say Kenwright has to look for investment.

Maybe there the ones who we should be looking for when it comes to answers. Just another way to look at it I guess

 

[SingBlue]

Maybe they have been willing but under certain conditions and Kenwright maybe feels it's to the detriment of Everton Football Club. I'm playing devils advocate a bit there I guess mate but just taking a step back I'm thinking he's well respected in his line of work ( theatre ). He's supposedly a good negotiater for transfers. He says he's the best Everton person to sell Everton. What happens if he's had multiple chances to sell us but hasn't and that's paid dividends.

I'm not a fan by any stretch but seeing this pan out over such a long period of time I can't help think that's there's been chances for him to say "ah screw this" but he hasn't. Maybe for the chance of monetary gains or for the love of the club I'm not sure but surely there were times he could have sold it. Or are the other folk ( Earl and Green ) in so much control that they say Kenwright has to look for investment.

Maybe there the ones who we should be looking for when it comes to answers. Just another way to look at it I guess

Theatreworld - renowned as being a low payer.
Good negotiater for transfers - "I won't sell Rooney for £50m" (to be fair he didn't).

Look, I think he's a carpetbagger. Nothing wrong with that, and if he'd delivered Kings' Waterfront we'd be in a different situation, and I'm sure he'd have got the rich investor and if he made £20-30m off the back of the increased enterprise value, I wouldn't have begrudged that.

But, him and his cronies have invested the square root of f-all. They are looking for a huge return on investment for sitting on their hands whilst the revenues have rocketed despite them. Personally, I don't think that's acceptable.

Just purely speculation on my part, but we were in a net positive asset position when he took over. The debt then piled on immediately (leading to some to speculate that they'd leveraged the buy-out, and put the debt on the club). We've paid out an absolute fortune in interest and finance charges down the years with all these short-term loans etc. that it's questionable if we needed. Whoever is behind those financial instruments has made a lot of money out of Everton. The interest payments alone would've delivered a world class stadium without any retail partner or other fairy godmother.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

also kenwright doesn't really do our 'transfers'. I think elstones in charge of all that.

 

[zirc]

What you'd expect from a Kenwright flunky like Prentice. That was only written because there was a protest banner held aloft at West Ham. His job is to muddy the waters and suggest it's 'a complex issue' with all kinds of factors involved. Well maybe, but there is a hierarchy of blame and at the top of that pile is Kenwright and his shackling of Everton to two parasites just so he could maintain some form of 'control'.

The Echo are a disgrace. They'd be tearing the place up if LFC were 10 years without a trophy, never mind 20 years.

Joke of an article. They can't have one single piece on the board without reminding us how lucky we are to have BK and not have done a Portsmouth or Blackburn.

 

[royvernon39]

And if people are saying he doesn't put money into the club due to a personal problem with Kenwright, then surely both men should put that to one side for the good of the club?

My cynical view is that they simply want to stay in touch with what is going on at the Club, that they wish to stay on relative good terms with Billy Liar, but never would they in a month of sundays increase their financial exposure to the club unless the Chairman did likewise/first.

I have no evidence for any of the above. I do sense however that exasperation with Bill's inactivity is growing brought on in the last instance by this bogus chat about a new stadium especially as Anfield ( which was always the poorer stadium for 100 years until Bill became a direstor) is getting a great new manin stand.

 

[Groucho]

Joke of an article. They can't have one single piece on the board without reminding us how lucky we are to have BK and not have done a Portsmouth or Blackburn.

To be fair, there is an element of truth in that. We haven't done a Portsmouth or Blackburn.

The problem is, we've not done an Arsenal and won stuff either.

Dead old argument this one, eh?

 

[TheFinnFan]

To be fair, there is an element of truth in that. We haven't done a Portsmouth or Blackburn.

The problem is, we've not done an Arsenal and won stuff either.

Thats the reality here.

But seriously, many evertonians dont give BK n Co. enough respect imho.
Ive discussed this with several other team fans and general thought is we have pretty good and respectful thing going on.
You can always turn it to conversation about trophies but theres more to it.

 

[Groucho]

Thats the reality here.

But seriously, many evertonians dont give BK n Co. enough respect imho.
Ive discussed this with several other team fans and general thought is we have pretty good and respectful thing going on.
You can always turn it to conversation about trophies but theres more to it.

I agree - Bill Kenwright gets the bulk of the criticism, which perhaps is unfair when the rest of the board should also be considered for a fume, however, if he's happy to be the chairman, then perhaps that simply comes with the territory.

I do think though sometimes, that a lot of the other board members get more of an easy ride on this subject at times, while people focus on Bill Kenwright.

 

[zirc]

To be fair, there is an element of truth in that. We haven't done a Portsmouth or Blackburn.

The problem is, we've not done an Arsenal and won stuff either.

Dead old argument this one, eh?

I hate it though. It implies that since we haven't been as badly run as two of the most spectacular failures in modern football, that the board is doing a good job.

Imagine if a politician ran for re election on the platform that, hey, we've got running water, electricity and paved roads, and the country is not in a civil war like Sudan or Yemen so things must be great.

 

[Groucho]

I hate it though. It implies that since we haven't been as badly run as two of the most spectacular failures in modern football, that the board is doing a good job.

Imagine if a politician ran for re election on the platform that, hey, we've got running water, electricity and paved roads, and the country is not in a civil war like Sudan or Yemen so things must be great.

Very true - it's not good enough to say "at least we're not last" year after year, I agree.

 

[Chang Elephant]

But seriously, many evertonians dont give BK n Co. enough respect imho.

Why should we respect a parasitic carpetbagger ?

 

[Groucho]

The problem with these discussions about the board is that very few people are willing to find a middle ground. I'm not saying anyone has to change their opinion, but I do tire of the way it gets nasty.

There's no need for the aggressive tone a lot of people take on this subject but I guess it stirs up far more feeling than what happens on the pitch.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Why should we respect a parasitic carpetbagger ?

There you go..

 

[davek]

Kenwright's role can be watered down by pointing at others on the board, but he placed them there - they were his choice - and he's the one constant presence in all of the 15 years going on 16 years since the last takeover.

The buck stops with him.

We have two failed stadium schemes on his watch
No Goodison refurbishment on his watch
No investment on his watch

...all he's done is to survive by selling star players at opportune moments, put his hand out for tv cash that would have been there for anyone in control of any PL club, and borrowed from people who are no friends to Everton's ambitions but merely seek to sweat us for interest payments.

Sorry, Kenwright is the problem. There can be no excuses made for him with some relativist argument about it not just being down to him when it's obviously the case it IS down to him.

 

[maccavennie]

Theatreworld - renowned as being a low payer.
Good negotiater for transfers - "I won't sell Rooney for £50m" (to be fair he didn't).

Look, I think he's a carpetbagger. Nothing wrong with that, and if he'd delivered Kings' Waterfront we'd be in a different situation, and I'm sure he'd have got the rich investor and if he made £20-30m off the back of the increased enterprise value, I wouldn't have begrudged that.

But, him and his cronies have invested the square root of f-all. They are looking for a huge return on investment for sitting on their hands whilst the revenues have rocketed despite them. Personally, I don't think that's acceptable.

Just purely speculation on my part, but we were in a net positive asset position when he took over. The debt then piled on immediately (leading to some to speculate that they'd leveraged the buy-out, and put the debt on the club). We've paid out an absolute fortune in interest and finance charges down the years with all these short-term loans etc. that it's questionable if we needed. Whoever is behind those financial instruments has made a lot of money out of Everton. The interest payments alone would've delivered a world class stadium without any retail partner or other fairy godmother.

I agree regarding the stadium and of course the Rooney sale. I was thinking more along the lines of getting quality deals for the likes of Lescott and Fellaini. Whether in the theatre world he pays low or not is irrelevant, he's successful in that line if work. My point was not to deflect the blame away from him, he's the chairman so the buck stops with him. More a case of what are the others doing, what hold have they got over Everton,why doesn't Kenwright relinquish control and hand it over to them, is he worried they will destroy what he perceives to be "his good work" of steady the Everton ship?

Currently on our board there are members with a lot of money floating about. For whatever reason they are unwilling to invest or don't want to whilst Kenwright is in charge.