The Everton Board Thread 2014/15

Is it time for change?

  • I'm happy with the way thing are. Kenwright and the Board should stay.

  • Kenwright and the board need to go. We need change.


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I know your forum name means "to have been set against" or opposite but that does not mean you must counter every point with an argument.

The market value of the Everton Football Club is currently £49m, that is what the market thinks the club is worth. Now, let's consider what happens in a takeover. There's hardly ever a takeover at a premium greater than 100%, in fact average takeover premiums tend more towards 50%. But even at 100% that puts a value of £100m on the club - a long way from your earlier claim of US$2-400m (£130-260m).

I doubt even the most ardent asset stripper would consider the transfer values of players as a means of creating an investment return - even Mike Ashley has not gone that far.

We'll have to disagree on the future for broadcasting revenues.

Please now run through the basis of your US$2-400m valuation, I've explained already why I think £100m is absolute maximum based on two different valuation models.
I am very contrary. :)

But it's not true to say that because the market values something that's its worth that - it really is just what it's shares are worth. Check out the shares of Nokia before Microsoft bought them. I told a friend to buy some when they where around 2.5 about a year before they bought over basically because I thought it was inevitable that they would be bought.

They went up to something like around 7 before the takeover. So while I was using the player's value as an extreme example and it probably wouldn't happen but it does happen in other industries and a buyer could be interested in Everton to do something similar although over a longer time.

The market factors in a lot of things but ultimately it's just people gambling.

btw - He still rejects not doing that. :)

Ultimately say they bought the club at 100m with the players worth around 175m. Would Everton stay in the premier league if they sold Rom, Ross and Stones which would probably raise close to 100m. They probably would - Even without those 3 we're probably still a mid table team. What would be the value of Everton then? By your reckoning 100m because the players have no value. So then the "investor" after a bit of grief from the fans would sell again for 100m making himself a nice little 100m profit and we would have lost our 3 most valuable players.

The worst thing is that they wouldn't even need to have the money or any intention of investing in the club since they could leverage it against the value of the club.

This is what Kenwright means when he says once they do their due diligence they find these guys have no money. If it's a leveraged buyout then they definitely won't have money to invest because there will be no means to raise the money afterwards. Look at Utd, they're only getting back to investing in the squad now and that's Utd who can sign commercial deals of 600m.
 
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An excellent post mate, and I don't disagree with anything you have said.

Despite what many fans think there is absolutely no reason why they should sell now (from a business perspective).

However it is disgenuous to maintain that the club is for sale if it isn't.
Not wanting to live up to my name.

There is a reason to sell. At the moment if we stand still and have to rely on self financing then we will slip further down the table. We could easily go into a death spiral and possibly even the doomsday scenario of being relegated. Without a stadium we just won't be able to maintain our position and ultimately that will hurt the value of the club.

It's just not a reason to sell tomorrow. We can wait for the right buyer and hopefully make progress with the stadium at the same time. Make progress with the stadium and finding the buyer will be less important, don't make progress with the stadium and they will need to sell sooner rather than later.

That's just how I see it but I do believe them when they say if another Abramovich came in they wouldn't stand in his way. I just don't think it's as easy to find them as people seem to think.
 
Not wanting to live up to my name.

There is a reason to sell. At the moment if we stand still and have to rely on self financing then we will slip further down the table. We could easily go into a death spiral and possibly even the doomsday scenario of being relegated. Without a stadium we just won't be able to maintain our position and ultimately that will hurt the value of the club.

It's just not a reason to sell tomorrow. We can wait for the right buyer and hopefully make progress with the stadium at the same time. Make progress with the stadium and finding the buyer will be less important, don't make progress with the stadium and they will need to sell sooner rather than later.

That's just how I see it but I do believe them when they say if another Abramovich came in they wouldn't stand in his way. I just don't think it's as easy to find them as people seem to think.

The right buyer will be the one to meet the asking price.

If the ghost of Osama Bin Laden rocked up on Shergar with his assistant Sir Jimmy Saville in the child catcher car and they offered 400 million they would sell up in a flash.

Bill is a showman, he never personally had the money to buy Everton so got Theatre owner Paul Gregg to help him out. Along the way, they have fell out and a power battle for control of the club starts. Suddenly out of nothing Bill finds the shady Chris Samuelson and his other investors Robert Steelhammer and the other Avengers.

The cheque is still coming...........

To get rid of Gregg, Bill turns to other friends to buy Gregg out. Probably sold them the kirkby dream to get them on board. He gets rid of one shyster for an even worse one in Robert Earl.
 
No Kenwright at Andy King's funeral today. Sent a nice message though, read out at the service.

How many high profile functions/matches has Bill missed in the last few months?

You would think the local press would at least ask a few questions. Things clearly aren't right. First & foremost I hope the guy is okay.
 
this is worse than the titanic, at least the titanic eventually sunk within a short space of time

this ship has been sinking since the day kenwright took charge.
 

If a club is only valued on market share value what are RS and MU worth?

Edward Glazer put a value of approximately £2bn on Manchester United when he issued a prospectus in December 2014 for the sale of 3 million shares.

Forbes value Liverpool at around £660 million.
 
No Kenwright at Andy King's funeral today. Sent a nice message though, read out at the service.

How many high profile functions/matches has Bill missed in the last few months?

You would think the local press would at least ask a few questions. Things clearly aren't right. First & foremost I hope the guy is okay.

Mate I've never posted any info I've come across usually because it's not worth the grief, but I'll post what I got told to day from a very reliable source, and is Kenwright is allegedly battling against the big c, as I said this is only what I was told to day, if true hope he makes a full recovery.
 
Edward Glazer put a value of approximately £2bn on Manchester United when he issued a prospectus in December 2014 for the sale of 3 million shares.

Forbes value Liverpool at around £660 million.

Liverpool were sold for less than half of that figure, but that was of course a price set by the bank, who were effectually Liverpools administrators. Has Lerner named a price for Villa, considering that he is desperate to sell?
 

Edward Glazer put a value of approximately £2bn on Manchester United when he issued a prospectus in December 2014 for the sale of 3 million shares.

Forbes value Liverpool at around £660 million.

Being very diplomatic there, did not mention Everton.
 

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