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The summer 2013 Everton transfer rumourZ thread

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davek said:
I think Martinez must be desperate to run the rule over the squad at first hand before plunging in too fast. He may see things differently to Moyes concerning who's a non-runner first team-wise. Obviously he must already have a fair idea where about defo needs attention, like.
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Thats what worries me tbh will he spend too long deciding what to do before bringing in players, add to that we will most likely have a new formation to adapt too he needs to bring the players in quick and get everyone used to playing together etc surely he sees if anything we need a striker
 
Christiffa25 said:
Do you watch us or football in general billy? Your ideas are way out there....Osman or Barkley RW? Eh! Guaye and Naismith? What! Heitinga? Pfft! Don't get your thinking mate at all...

Anyway my opinion is...

First Yes 100%, we need another GK as a priority. We only have Howard. Ideally if funds permit and the right quality is available we need a younger option to Howard who can challange him and eventually replace Howard. If none available a free stop gap for a year to play back up is the minimum required.

At the back, Heitinga needs to go. I dont care if hes played a world cup final or had 3 good months for us, hes a poor CB. Probably so too does Duffy on loan. Stones is mooted as a possible future CB, but will be nowhere near our central defense next season. Nor to will hibbert unless of some major freaky injurie scenario. I also don't see Martinez going 3 at the back. We need 1 or 2 CB coming in (lescott & alcaraz) would surfice. 5M

In Midfield your presuming fellaini goes and Fer is the replacement next to Gibson. I think Fer looks a good signing. I also think Martinez will re-jigg our midfield to play a 4-3-3 with a deep lying CM (Gibson) and 2 CM just in front a box-to-box and a playmaker (Fer, Osman, Barkley, pienaar) fighting it out for those more advanced roles. A back up for Gibson is needed (unless lundstrum is ready).

As said I think he will change to more of a 4-3-3, meaning our wide men pushed further up in a 3 pronged attack. Mirallas on the left (his best posistion) and sign a new striker and RWF as well as a winger/forward for back up. Selling Naismith, Guaye and maybe even jelavic.
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Osman has only been moved into the centre recently because Fellaini has been pushed further forward and we sold Arteta. He's spent the majority of his time with us either on the right of midfield or in the hole. If we played Gibson and Barkley as a pair we would get mullered. Rodwell is still learning the role and he's got 4 years more experience than Barkley as well as being generally more defensively-aware. If you watched football you would know that Barkley played on the right in his loan spell at Leeds, partly because there is more space for him to operate on the flank than in the middle where he would be immediately closed down.

I don't think that Gueye is going to be good enough but we've never really given him a chance to find out. I think that Naismith is an intelligent player rather than a particularly gifted one technically. He's not going to spray passes around or beat his man but he can get on the end of things in the box if given the opportunity.

Heitinga, Jagielka and Distin could make a good trio but he's probably going so it's not really worth discussing.

If we bought a young 'keeper like McCarthy it could cost us £5m and they're probably going to be waiting to play until Howard hangs up his gloves. We can't afford to have that money sitting there in reserve. Our budget needs to be spent on people who will go in to the side.

Why spend £4-£5m on Lescott now when we can get him for nothing in a year when Distin will most probably be retiring? I'd take Alcaraz as back up and send Duffy on loan with a callback clause.

If we played 4-3-3 the chances are that Osman and Barkley wouldn't get in the side. Since when has Mirallas on the left been his best position? Wouldn't he get in the way of Baines and Pienaar if he was operating ahead of them? How much would a decent striker and RWF cost? £22m the pair? If we've raised £34.5m on Fellaini (£24m), Heitinga (£2.5m), Naismith (£2.5m), Gueye (£1m) and Jelavic (£4.5m) and spent on £11.8m on Lescott (£5m) and Fer (£6.8m) we'd just about have enough. I think that we can spend a bit more cleverly though and maximise on the potential of some of the players already with us to make sure that we have money to spend next year too.
 
tim cahill said:
Age is irrelevant. He's 2 years older than fabregas and Wiltshire when they were doing just that anyway. And I didn't say he should be running the show for us, but I don't see why he shouldn't be considered as a reserve in what will be his best position in the future.
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Fabregas started becoming a regular in 2005-6 aged 18. He'd made his debut 2 years earlier and played regularly in the cup competitions. He was schooled at La Masia, very mature and surrounded by players like Gilberto, Vieira and Henry.

Wilshere was loaned to Bolton aged 18.

I don't think it's a coincidence that both players came through at Arsenal.

Moyes has spoken of Barkley lacking maturity and about how his year out with a leg break has hindered his development. I think he should be making appearances for our team but central midfield is the engine room and it's difficult to bring someone into the game in that position. I'd play him on the right to begin with, where he would have more freedom to get forward and express himself. If he made mistakes or didn't track back it would be easier to contain than in the middle of the park, where the opposition would be straight at our back four. As he grows into it we could then give him more responsibility centrally. It seems to be working for Coleman.
 
Barkley would fit in a wide midfield role given that our fullbacks remain the same-Baines and Coleman. That is where the width will always come from.
 

all we need is about £25 mil including sales of heitinga and jelavic (please)

Soldado £15 mil
Moses £7 mil
Honda £3 mil
Alcatraz Free

Howard

Coleman Jagielka Distin Baines

Gibson

Felliani Honda

Moses Soldado Mirallas

what a team with decent players like pienaar, osman, barkley, anichebe and alcaraz on the bench would have a decent squad
 
Bluenose1995 said:
Thats what worries me tbh will he spend too long deciding what to do before bringing in players, add to that we will most likely have a new formation to adapt too he needs to bring the players in quick and get everyone used to playing together etc surely he sees if anything we need a striker
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I'd say apart from a CB replacement for JH (which he's moving to fill with Alcaraz) the backline is not an issue for him. A #2 keeper, CM with plenty of pace, and an attacker will be necessary regardless of what's in the reserves right now. He can move swiftly for those (which must be being addressed even as we speak) once he pays the courtesy to the existing squad of looking at them. I think that's good management as well, by the way. No use starting off on the wrong foot.
 

davek said:
I'd say apart from a CB replacement for JH (which he's moving to fill with Alcaraz) the backline is not an issue for him. A #2 keeper, CM with plenty of pace, and an attacker will be necessary regardless of what's in the reserves right now. He can move swiftly for those (which must be being addressed even as we speak) once he pays the courtesy to the existing squad of looking at them. I think that's good management as well, by the way. No use starting off on the wrong foot.
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I would hope he leaves the no 2 Gk and full time replacement for dustbin (affectionate name) until next season and uses every penny possible this window to try bring in a quality ST and CM,

if he's playing a 3-4-3/4-3-3 then we need IMO a ST, RM and CM (with a replacement for Heitinga)
if its a 3-5-2 then we should be looking at 2x ST, a CM and CAM
or a 4-2-3-1 1x ST 1x CDM and 1x CAM
 
davek said:
I was reluctant to ask, tbh. I hope it doesn't involve pool parties and loofers.:blink:
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Haha. A snippet I took from one of his (probably paraphrased) Martinez is the best manager in the world interviews.

Martinez allegedly detailed to Bill in his interview how he knew that Wigan would beat us in the FA Cup when he saw Heitinga was playing. Then detailed the tactical basis of this claim and outlined how he instructed his side to line up to best exploit it.

Based on this, I'm assuming Martinez doesn't rate Johnny.
 
billycopper said:
Fabregas started becoming a regular in 2005-6 aged 18. He'd made his debut 2 years earlier and played regularly in the cup competitions. He was schooled at La Masia, very mature and surrounded by players like Gilberto, Vieira and Henry.

Wilshere was loaned to Bolton aged 18.

I don't think it's a coincidence that both players came through at Arsenal.

Moyes has spoken of Barkley lacking maturity and about how his year out with a leg break has hindered his development. I think he should be making appearances for our team but central midfield is the engine room and it's difficult to bring someone into the game in that position. I'd play him on the right to begin with, where he would have more freedom to get forward and express himself. If he made mistakes or didn't track back it would be easier to contain than in the middle of the park, where the opposition would be straight at our back four. As he grows into it we could then give him more responsibility centrally. It seems to be working for Coleman.
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Did he??? Those 46 appearances he had the year before aged 17 don't count then?

And wilshere was introduced aged 16 although admittedly he didn't make a huge impact on the first team before he was 18. Although I don't see how that means Barkley can't be considered a reserve CM aged 19 when that is his position. Did you watch the Spurs/Arsenal games? Against spurs he was poor out wide, against Arsenal he was impressive when he was central. For me it's that simple.
 

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