Today’s Football 2020/21 Season

[TheBigIguana]

The more I read your posts the more I wonder if you’ve ever actually played football before. The bold part is something we’re all taught from a young age when defending and it is also natural. Facing up a striker with your arm’s down by your side just isn’t what you do.

I think you're misunderstanding what I mean because what I'm picturing is definitely not something coaches are teaching players, or if they are it is with the expectation that they can make themselves bigger to block shots/crosses without being penalized for it.

 

[TheBigIguana]

It's now a judgement call based on analysis, changes to rules, and minute details using technology. So it's not a clear on or offside debate.

Goes back to the arguement that the technology is taking away from on the pitch officials rather than helping them. Linesman are completely redundant now.

It still isn't by definition a judgment call.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Tbf mate an American telling English footie fans to relax and enjoy these daft new rules which spoils the atmosphere and actual game celebrating a potential winning goal is going to get the same reception as me going onto some NFL teams forum and telling them they need to change their rules to make it more whatever (not saying being American makes you any less of a fan btw just making a point as you obviously dont get down to the games as much as most of us lot can for example).

Its daft mate - VAR was brought in to help officials clear up missed/basic errors on the pitch.

It wasnt ever implemented or sold to clubs or its fanbases that it was brought in to go out of its way to find the tiniest nose hair of a player being offside in order to call an offside.

Its a con.

VAR is just as likely to overrule a bad refereeing decision, where a goal is wrongly disallowed, and give you that winning goal to celebrate.

Everyone's focusing on the goals disallowed for marginal offsides, and forgetting about the goals given because the technology can see that the player is onside.

I actually find it literally laughable listening to fans and pundits basically saying ''you can't disallow that goal because he's only just offside.''

I love VAR. It's just a pity it wasn't around to overrule Thomas, Collina, Clattenburg etc.

 

[visitingholte]

I don't disagree with the offsides call, he was off by the standards of the law. It does feel like some VAR's have different standards for what is "clear and obvious".

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Same with Carsley’s Derby winner, VAR might have ruled it out these days for Dudek being visually impaired behind a line of players

Similarly, Bryan Hamilton's goal would have been allowed. As would Ferguson's against Villarreal. And Clattenburg would have been in tears as he was obliged to send off Kuyt and give a penalty against Carragher.

 

[Kenshin]

this is a good summary

Things that would improve it....
1) Offsides - Draw one line from the Defenders last point & if it remains unclear after that give the benefit to the attacker
2) All other decisions made by on pitch ref; with VAR official only allowed instruct them watch something.
3) Ref can only review in real time - no slow motion

Fully agree with those points.

 

[Nymzee]

I think you're misunderstanding what I mean because what I'm picturing is definitely not something coaches are teaching players, or if they are it is with the expectation that they can make themselves bigger to block shots/crosses without being penalized for it.

That’s a no then to you playing soccer before then.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

West Ham being above us and with a better goal difference makes me really sad. Just goes to show how utterly dreadful our form has been.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I just don't agree that the game can't be fun and entertaining AND follow the rules as they are set out.

I don't share the opinion that moments such as last minute winners should just be allowed to count because it is fun and exciting. I mean if the ref puts the flag up at the time it is fine but on replay it isn't? That doesn't make sense to me. We could just not have rules at that point.

The point is what advantage does someones sleeve being offside give Vardy scoring with his foot?

It doesnt therefore it shouldn't be chalked off but it would

What advantage does Bamford pointing to his teammate where he wants the ball to go give him in scoring a goal?

It doesn't therefore it shouldn't be chalked off but it did

If you cant see that VAR is causing just as many problems as it solves then I dont know what to say and quite frankly im at the point where football can GTF for me.

I watched the Saints/Wigan Grand Final and got more entertainment watching that than I have none Everton football matches these past 12-18 months.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Similarly, Bryan Hamilton's goal would have been allowed. As would Ferguson's against Villarreal. And Clattenburg would have been in tears as he was obliged to send off Kuyt and give a penalty against Carragher.

So your point is you would rather dodgy VAR decisions than dodgy ref decisions

I see no difference atleast with how it used to be you could celebrate a goal without hoping VAR didnt notice Richarlison's toenail was offside.

 

[number4.]

So your point is you would rather dodgy VAR decisions than dodgy ref decisions

I see no difference atleast with how it used to be you could celebrate a goal without hoping VAR didnt notice Richarlison's toenail was offside.

The argument for VAR would be quick to point out that there are far less dodgy decisions then previously, those against would point out it's sucking the joy out of the game for what?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The argument for VAR would be quick to point out that there are far less dodgy decisions then previously, those against would point out it's sucking the joy out of the game for what?

I dont mind VAR in terms of the technology as referees do need the help - but its become used to follow laws to the nth degree without applying some common sense to the laws.

Like throwing a chocolate wrapper onto the floor is different to accidentally dropping a chocolate wrapper on the floor yet both instances fall under the law of "littering".

But if you was a police officer stood next to the person you would surely apply common sense to that law and treat each incident differently.

The problem is Stockley Park and VAR officials dont - they treat Bamford pointing at where he wants his team mate to put a through ball to as guilty as having an advantage as a player literally standing in an offside position.

Thats what annoys the majority of fans its nonsense without any common sense of what is "clear and obvious" and what is giving an opponent an advantage or not.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Literally only just noticed the Leicester-Fulham result

 

[YoboCopter]

gary neville killed klopp fully off last night

Great piece

 

[ForeverBlue92]

gary neville killed klopp fully off last night

Great piece

Link sir?