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Tour De France 2012

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I'm becoming a fan of Rui Costa. Hang tight my Portuguese fellow! you already won one stage this tour, but why not two? Raining hard in the Alps right now.

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Arteta2391 said:
I'm becoming a fan of Rui Costa. Hang tight my Portuguese fellow! you already won one stage this tour, but why not two? Raining hard in the Alps right now.
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Didn't have you down for condoning drug cheats Jorge, more than a little disappointed in you.
 
Wat Tyler said:
See Froome released all his power data and Sky have written to WADA to offer all their data. I am sure this won't be enough for the doubters
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of course it won't, everyone with any knowledge of the sport knows its a hollow gesture. doping techniques are way ahead of the tests, hence why it will be at least 5 years until the inevitable truth comes out, thats how it works in cycling.

AICAR which Froome and Wiggins have obviously taken over the past few years is still completely undetectable for starters.

This is the problem with casual cycling fans, when you read the comments on the BBC and Daily Mail articles its hilarious seeing all these delusional brits saying they aren't doping because they must get tested all the time, these people shouldn't be allowed to post opinions on such articles such is their complete lack of knowledge on doping techniques etc.

And then you have people saying well Froome obviously isn't doping because he "bonked" the other day, literally blows my mind how clueless so many so called cycling fans are. It all basically comes down to rampant nationlism, its the same with every country... everyone claims their riders are clean and then EVERY SINGLE TIME they get found out a few years down the line. People never learn.
 
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moosed said:
of course it won't, everyone with any knowledge of the sport knows its a hollow gesture. doping techniques are way ahead of the tests, hence why it will be at least 5 years until the inevitable truth comes out, thats how it works in cycling.

AICAR which Froome and Wiggins have obviously taken over the past few years is still completely undetectable for starters.

This is the problem with casual cycling fans, when you read the comments on the BBC and Daily Mail articles its hilarious seeing all these delusional brits saying they aren't doping because they must get tested all the time, these people shouldn't be allowed to post opinions on such articles such is their complete lack of knowledge on doping techniques etc.

And then you have people saying well Froome obviously isn't doping because he "bonked" the other day, literally blows my mind how clueless so many so called cycling fans are. It all basically comes down to rampant nationlism, its the same with every country... everyone claims their riders are clean and then EVERY SINGLE TIME they get found out a few years down the line. People never learn.
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Sky can't win. No matter what they do, after the Armstrong years of "I passed all the tests", no-one believes in the testing. The blood passport has made doping more difficult to get away with. Cycling isn't clean but it is clean-er. Sky have from the start have gone with a zero policy on drugs, to the point where they lost the likes of Mick Rogers and Sean Yates. They should never have got involved with Gert Leinders, and you can tell Brailsford regrets it.

You cannot say Wiggins and Froome have "obvioulsy taken AICAR," just as I cannot say they definitely haven't. FWIW, I think Sky are clean, for a number of reasons, not least in my opinion their is no way Brailsford would oversee a systematic doping program. All this talk about Froome's time up Ventoux on Sunday, when in reality he did it slower than Kreuziger four years ago. Froome has dominated because a: he is the strongest and b: his rivals have been relatively poor.
 
moosed said:
i admire your optimism and at the risk of sounding like a broken record please explain to me how wiggins and froome went from this

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to this in such a short amount of time ?

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This dramatic change in physique is impossible through training etc as its it's literally impossible to lose fat without also losing muscle and therefore functional threshold power but with AICAR, it was suddenly possible!

Its the only logical explanation for them being able to lose so much fat and gain muscle, its the dream drug. As soon as it came into the sport all the top riders physiques suddenly changed, everyone was all of a sudden looking borderline anorexic.

I know it can't be proven due to AICAR being impossible to detect at this moment in time but when you sit down and analyse it's literally the only logical explanation for it.
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You can't condemn off a couple of pictures though mate. If Sky are supplying AICAR to Wiggins, what explains his 4th (moved up to 3rd retrospectively) in the 2009 tour when he was at Garmin. I agree there is sill doping in cycling, there still isn't a test for blood transfusions, which is amazing really when you consider it has been used since the 80's. Look at athletics - they have caught two of their biggest names but they do nowhere near the amount of testing. The problem for Sky is: let's say they are clean, and you are Brailsford, what do you do? They've passed the tests but that's not enough. So you offer to release all data to WADA, and still that isn't enough. This is where Armstrong has done damage because he was master of PR and he was so insistent he was clean that anyone of the next generation is tarred with the same brush. I honestly can't see a situation where Sky say "look, if we start doping now, we can become a success, but in a few years time we will be found out, because all the samples are stored. Shall we do it anyway?"
 

The tour had really taken a back seat to the Cricket hasn't it.

is the pommie still going to win after having his hand held up to the finish by the Aussie? Typical.
 
moosed said:
of course it won't, everyone with any knowledge of the sport knows its a hollow gesture. doping techniques are way ahead of the tests, hence why it will be at least 5 years until the inevitable truth comes out, thats how it works in cycling.

AICAR which Froome and Wiggins have obviously taken over the past few years is still completely undetectable for starters.

This is the problem with casual cycling fans, when you read the comments on the BBC and Daily Mail articles its hilarious seeing all these delusional brits saying they aren't doping because they must get tested all the time, these people shouldn't be allowed to post opinions on such articles such is their complete lack of knowledge on doping techniques etc.

And then you have people saying well Froome obviously isn't doping because he "bonked" the other day, literally blows my mind how clueless so many so called cycling fans are. It all basically comes down to rampant nationlism, its the same with every country... everyone claims their riders are clean and then EVERY SINGLE TIME they get found out a few years down the line. People never learn.
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I'll ask you the same question Brailsford asked the other day. What exactly would prove to you that people are clean? What is it you want?

And seriously, that Paris Roubaix picture is a joke. It's well known that most riders (pros or amateurs) will lose a good few kg's over the course of a very long days riding. Couple that with the grime and **** you usually accumulate from riding on cobbles for so long + the thin'ness of Wiggins anyway and he's bound to look rough.

I'll say this though. I got back from the Maratona with 5% body fat, and I haven't touched drugs since my raving days as a kid. That was almost purely down to riding every day whilst there and clocking up 400km in a week. The pros do that in a couple of days and have all the diet support you can hope for.

Oh, and my threshold power has also increased 7% from last year, despite having lost 1.5kg in the same period. I must be doping though, right?
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
I'll ask you the same question Brailsford asked the other day. What exactly would prove to you that people are clean? What is it you want?

And seriously, that Paris Roubaix picture is a joke. It's well known that most riders (pros or amateurs) will lose a good few kg's over the course of a very long days riding. Couple that with the grime and **** you usually accumulate from riding on cobbles for so long + the thin'ness of Wiggins anyway and he's bound to look rough.

I'll say this though. I got back from the Maratona with 5% body fat, and I haven't touched drugs since my raving days as a kid. That was almost purely down to riding every day whilst there and clocking up 400km in a week. The pros do that in a couple of days and have all the diet support you can hope for.

Oh, and my threshold power has also increased 7% from last year, despite having lost 1.5kg in the same period. I must be doping though, right?
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You Smackie. Gotta be on the Juice Bruce.
 

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